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  • [object Object]zzt@mas.to
    Oct 14, 2026, 11:42 AM

    if you believe in code, believe your eyes. read the diff that was applied to the kernel tree. what do your eyes say?

    this governance structure is not for your benefit. it’s for the benefit of the corporations paying to capture Linux.

    if you believe or believed in any of the FOSS ideals, this is the moment that all of the evangelism and advocacy and rabid fandom was supposedly there to steel the community against.

    but it didn’t work. we’re in the disaster scenario and you’re still asking about fragile solutions. “well what OS do *you* recommend? why can’t we just fork the kernel? what if it’s not all that bad? what if torvalds and the rest snap out of it?”

    none of this shit worked to save FOSS. try something else.

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  • [object Object]zzt@mas.to
    Oct 14, 2026, 11:49 AM

    what do I recommend? fuck another OS. hold these motherfuckers responsible. why in fuck should Torvalds have a place in polite company anymore? why in fuck should Stallman? any the Linux Foundation employees? any of the slop-loving fuckers at the OSI? why should any of the people whose actual job it was to stop this shit get away with not doing their work?

    and no Stallman isn’t anti-AI. you can’t fucking tell me that the guy who’s so against proprietary software he prefers when his shit doesn’t work on anyone else’s hardware conveniently decided to be soft now, in the moment when it matters. one strong word from any of the FOSS organizations could’ve slowed or stopped this outcome. but no, none of the boys who assured us their licenses and their legal might would protect us could be fucking bothered

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  • Kylekyle_pegasus@scalie.club
    Oct 14, 2026, 11:47 AM

    @zzt FOSS is just companies accepting unpaid work. fuck FOSS, let's get a new thing

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  • PorkrollPosadistporkroll@matapacos.dog
    Oct 14, 2026, 11:55 AM

    @zzt I think you're right on, but we should also take over the FSF and issue GPL 4.0: Butlerian Jihad Edition.

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  • Moses Izumi (he/him)moses_izumi@fe.disroot.org
    Oct 14, 2026, 12:05 PM
    @porkroll
    ...and make sure that their website site links to distros people would want to use, instead of the ~10 that happen to use the Linux-Libre kernel.
    (of these distros Trisquel is okay, and some people here swear by Guix)

    [I assume this is what @zzt meant by Stallman being "so against proprietary software he prefers when his shit doesn't work on anyone else's hardware"]
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  • φfiore@brain.worm.pink
    Oct 14, 2026, 3:29 PM

    @porkroll @zzt the fsf should close shop and wither and die actually . theyre at fault for all of this at the end of the day

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  • dataramadatarama@hachyderm.io
    Oct 14, 2026, 11:57 AM

    @zzt What, exactly, does holding them responsible entail, to you?

    Because I don't really think they care if a bunch of largely marginal figures hold them responsible, especially when the corporate money firehose is pointed straight at them (for the moment)

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  • dataramadatarama@hachyderm.io
    Oct 14, 2026, 1:29 PM

    @zzt I'm not being glib. I'm just some random industrial electronics dev; Linus isn't going to care if I "hold him responsible". I don't have power to hire or fire, and I also don't have power to decide swapping out a 20+ year-old Linux platform with, say, NetBSD (which, as you said before, also isn't enough). At the moment, in my field ditching Linux realistically means either Windows IoT or Industrial Android, and they're not exactly better on this front.

    I'm not going to base my own personal projects on Linux going forward, but once again - Linus isn't going to care about some hobbyist computational toymaker walking away. He's not going to care if 10000 hobbyist computational toymakers go away; he serves the big corporations.

    What I'm driving at, I guess, is that there is a power imbalance, and it is very hard for the powerless to hold the powerful accountable.

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  • d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
    Oct 14, 2026, 1:12 PM

    @zzt after stallman pushed back on me in the weirdest possible way when i proposed fixing the emacs configure script and bootstrapping known-good deps instead of LLM-riddled and actually backdoored shit a couple weeks ago i'm still evaluating whether he's controlled opposition the whole damn time

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  • MaeMae@is.badat.dev
    Oct 14, 2026, 11:59 AM
    @zzt one of the things I find particularly telling is(from the LWN article):

    > I asked whether that risked cutting off bright new developers that we would rather hang onto; Torvalds answered that the kernel project only wants serious developers. That includes having access to enough resources to function in this world.
    > [...]
    > Torvalds added that he does not want to scare off people who want to write code; his message is that you have to either put in the effort to learn, or put a lot of money into an LLM to participate.

    https://lwn.net/Articles/1099594/
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  • MaeMae@is.badat.dev
    Oct 14, 2026, 12:00 PM
    @zzt this upsets me more than the removal of assisted-by
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  • CUcumush@dice.camp
    Oct 14, 2026, 12:09 PM

    @Mae @zzt a lot of skill or a lot of money, completely interchangeable

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  • Evvy :neofox_floof:pierogiburo@tech.lgbt
    Oct 14, 2026, 12:33 PM

    @Mae @zzt hey remember when programming used to be a fun, educational, and mostly free hobby? where you didn't have to have deep pockets and pay rent to do it? where you could do it anywhere in the world, even if you, say, don't have a bank account or a credit card?

    (yes i know that of course you still needed some sort of computer, but still..)

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  • patterpatterfloof@meow.social
    Oct 14, 2026, 1:37 PM

    @cjgibilisco @pierogiburo @Mae @zzt when the current democratisation is "you can try many languages for free, even their docs are free, you simply have to take time to practice & learn, like any skill"

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  • dimenziodimenzio@social.linux.pizza
    Oct 14, 2026, 12:42 PM

    @pierogiburo @Mae @zzt However that sort of computer was a one time purchase and probably could be done on a library card or uni computer lab if you pushed the idea far. Not an arbitrary monthly subscription that is unsustainable.

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  • Matt Hall401matthall@mastodon.xyz
    Oct 14, 2026, 1:47 PM

    @Mae @zzt

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    For fuck's sake...

    So you either have to be privileged with time or money. There's no room for any one else?

    Nice fucking pitch, Linus.

    It... It may be time to tell ole' Torvalds to take a long fucking walk off a short pier.

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  • Daniel GibsonDoomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place
    Oct 14, 2026, 2:20 PM

    @401matthall @Mae @zzt
    I don't wanna excuse Linus' bullshit here, but you *always* needed to be privileged with time to contribute to Linux (and to get to the skill level to be able to do that).

    Now there apparently is an "alternative" for people who don't have time or are too lazy to learn but have too much money... no idea how letting people contribute who don't know what they're doing looks like a good idea to him, though

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  • Howard Chu @ Symashyc@mastodon.social
    Oct 14, 2026, 1:57 PM

    @Mae @zzt only wanting "serious" developers makes perfect sense, especially in the current climate of drive-by AI-generated submissions. I'd far prefer serious developers who can participate productively in devel maillist design discussions, propose and critique new features and approaches, etc. vs "AI researchers" who have no interest in the wellbeing of the projects they send submissions to.

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  • Howard Chu @ Symashyc@mastodon.social
    Oct 14, 2026, 2:02 PM

    @Mae @zzt and there's no avoiding the fact that newly joining a project requires a serious investment of time and effort to come up to speed and become able to make productive contributions. Not to mention the effort required to stay abreast of a project that has hundreds of other active participants. Staying coordinated is a big part of the task too.

    That part of Linus' message makes perfect sense. Thinking that AI offers a shortcut is stupid though.

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  • CameopilotCameopilot@toot.community
    Oct 14, 2026, 2:47 PM

    @zzt I'm not a developer, but i do use Linux, so I've been following this torvalds stuff with some trepidation. I've seen you comment several times that forking the kernel isn't an option. Can you explain why that is? I'm sure there are valid reasons, I'm just not in that world to know what they are.

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