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MaeMae@is.badat.dev
Oct 14, 2026, 11:59 AM
@zzt one of the things I find particularly telling is(from the LWN article):

> I asked whether that risked cutting off bright new developers that we would rather hang onto; Torvalds answered that the kernel project only wants serious developers. That includes having access to enough resources to function in this world.
> [...]
> Torvalds added that he does not want to scare off people who want to write code; his message is that you have to either put in the effort to learn, or put a lot of money into an LLM to participate.

https://lwn.net/Articles/1099594/
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MaeMae@is.badat.dev
Oct 14, 2026, 12:00 PM
@zzt this upsets me more than the removal of assisted-by
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mathieuimathieui@piaille.fr
Oct 14, 2026, 12:22 PM
@Mae @zzt the raw mail by torvalds is really telling: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/ ; I guess the "Linux torvalds got some counseling and stopped being the biggest asshole in the room" bit was just a phase and he can go back publicly to being awful on-list
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[object Object]zzt@mas.to
Oct 14, 2026, 12:02 PM
@Mae jesus fuck
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gaytabasedysfun@treehouse.systems
Oct 14, 2026, 12:05 PM
@Mae @zzt holy shit, what an absolute nutjob
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0xC0DEC0DE07EAc0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io
Oct 14, 2026, 12:06 PM
@Mae @zzt guh, what an asshole
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CUcumush@dice.camp
Oct 14, 2026, 12:09 PM
@Mae @zzt a lot of skill or a lot of money, completely interchangeable
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dataramadatarama@hachyderm.io
Oct 14, 2026, 12:09 PM
@Mae @zzt jesus fucking christ
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Evvy :neofox_floof:pierogiburo@tech.lgbt
Oct 14, 2026, 12:33 PM
@Mae @zzt hey remember when programming used to be a fun, educational, and mostly free hobby? where you didn't have to have deep pockets and pay rent to do it? where you could do it anywhere in the world, even if you, say, don't have a bank account or a credit card?
(yes i know that of course you still needed some sort of computer, but still..)
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Christopher Gibiliscocjgibilisco@mastodon.gamedev.place
Oct 14, 2026, 12:39 PM
@pierogiburo @Mae @zzt this is why I hate the argument that it is “democratizing” programming and removing barriers — only for those with deep enough pockets!
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Grandmaster BashGrandmasterBash@chaos.social
Oct 14, 2026, 12:55 PM
@cjgibilisco @pierogiburo @Mae @zzt which ist the exact opposite of democratizaion
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patterpatterfloof@meow.social
Oct 14, 2026, 1:37 PM
@cjgibilisco @pierogiburo @Mae @zzt when the current democratisation is "you can try many languages for free, even their docs are free, you simply have to take time to practice & learn, like any skill"
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dimenziodimenzio@social.linux.pizza
Oct 14, 2026, 12:42 PM
@pierogiburo @Mae @zzt However that sort of computer was a one time purchase and probably could be done on a library card or uni computer lab if you pushed the idea far. Not an arbitrary monthly subscription that is unsustainable.
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Jess👾JessTheUnstill@infosec.exchange
Oct 14, 2026, 1:31 PM
@dimenzio @pierogiburo @Mae @zzt I mean, my first computer was an old piece of junk I got from a garage sale for like $20. It worked well enough to start tinkering on while I saved up for a real PC.
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Jess👾JessTheUnstill@infosec.exchange
Oct 14, 2026, 1:35 PM
@dimenzio @pierogiburo @Mae @zzt I'm sure if you ask around a bit, you could find someone willing to give you an old laptop for free.
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👻 of deployments pastarichtman@eigenmagic.net
Oct 14, 2026, 12:46 PM
@pierogiburo @Mae @zzt wind the clock a bit further back. AIUI programming being free was hard-won
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Matt Hall401matthall@mastodon.xyz
Oct 14, 2026, 1:47 PM
@Mae @zzt
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For fuck's sake...
So you either have to be privileged with time or money. There's no room for any one else?
Nice fucking pitch, Linus.
It... It may be time to tell ole' Torvalds to take a long fucking walk off a short pier.
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Daniel GibsonDoomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place
Oct 14, 2026, 2:20 PM
@401matthall @Mae @zzt
I don't wanna excuse Linus' bullshit here, but you *always* needed to be privileged with time to contribute to Linux (and to get to the skill level to be able to do that).
Now there apparently is an "alternative" for people who don't have time or are too lazy to learn but have too much money... no idea how letting people contribute who don't know what they're doing looks like a good idea to him, though
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KTkertinker@mastodon.gamedev.place
Oct 14, 2026, 2:58 PM
@Doomed_Daniel @401matthall @Mae @zzt You always need to be privileged to contribute anything anywhere, because the time and freedom to do what you want should not be considered a privilege.
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Howard Chu @ Symashyc@mastodon.social
Oct 14, 2026, 1:57 PM
@Mae @zzt only wanting "serious" developers makes perfect sense, especially in the current climate of drive-by AI-generated submissions. I'd far prefer serious developers who can participate productively in devel maillist design discussions, propose and critique new features and approaches, etc. vs "AI researchers" who have no interest in the wellbeing of the projects they send submissions to.
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Howard Chu @ Symashyc@mastodon.social
Oct 14, 2026, 2:02 PM
@Mae @zzt and there's no avoiding the fact that newly joining a project requires a serious investment of time and effort to come up to speed and become able to make productive contributions. Not to mention the effort required to stay abreast of a project that has hundreds of other active participants. Staying coordinated is a big part of the task too.
That part of Linus' message makes perfect sense. Thinking that AI offers a shortcut is stupid though.
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JPjplebreton@mastodon.social
Oct 14, 2026, 2:05 PM
@Mae @zzt
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josh g.joshg@mathstodon.xyz
Oct 14, 2026, 8:50 PM
@Mae
what the fuck
@zzt
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