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  • Lime Barlimebar@mastodon.social
    Aug 8, 2026, 2:17 PM

    I am a little shocked at the lack of solidarity I see between artists working in different mediums wrt genAI.

    Musicians who would never use it to make music use it to make cover art

    Graphic artists reach for it to make music over their videos

    Writers use it to illustrate their articles

    And, considering software development an art, many use it to create web sites or apps to host their art.

    None of this is necessary. All of this is harmful to the other artists.

    Collaborate ffs.

    Stop it.

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  • FediThing :progress_pride:FediThing@chinwag.org
    Aug 8, 2026, 3:07 PM

    @limebar

    Yup.

    Also, if you use GenAI for one part of your work, people will assume you used it for the whole thing. It cheapens all your work if any part of it is GenAI.

    (Plus of course GenAI is innately immoral due to its environmental, social and political impacts.)

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  • Cassandrichdalias@hachyderm.io
    Aug 8, 2026, 3:36 PM

    @limebar @FediThing Yep, same here. When I see someone saying their music is all their own work but they've illustrated it with AI slop, I have a really hard time believing they didn't also use it as part of making their music.

    That stuff is designed to be addictive and to manipulate feelings of shame and inadequacy in ways that incentivize misrepresenting the output.

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  • Göktuğ Kayaalplibrarysquirrel@sunny.garden
    Aug 8, 2026, 4:07 PM

    @dalias @limebar @FediThing Personally even if I believed them the slop bits still spoil the whole thing. Proper fly in the ointment situation always. Why would I care about something authored by someone who's not bothered by all the massive issues around "AI", theirs will be a voice of mediocrity at best.

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  • Ozzelotozzelot@mstdn.social
    Aug 8, 2026, 4:59 PM

    @dalias @limebar @FediThing I sort of can believe them, because despite everything, I try to see the good in people... but it still spoils the thing to the point I'm not really interested anymore.

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  • clonedhumanclonedhuman@mastodon.social
    Aug 8, 2026, 8:05 PM

    @dalias @limebar @FediThing Same.

    AI 'art' is used primarily by people who lack the skill and creativity to create things themselves.

    Genuine artists would rather put out an imperfect, messy, but personal creation than rely on a crutch used by unskilled, uncreative people.

    When I see an artist manufacturing AI slop, it is a tacit acknowledgement of a lack of skill and lack of creativity, and it's justifiable to question everything they make if they're compromising themselves like that.

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  • Cassandrichdalias@hachyderm.io
    Aug 8, 2026, 8:37 PM

    @clonedhuman @limebar @FediThing I don't see it as a matter of skill at all. It's a matter of lacking the *will* or the *desire* to make art.

    Slopping it together reflects something more like a desire for the thing to 'just exist'.

    Framing it as a lack of skill drives people who aren't confident in their own skills not to do art but instead to ask the slop machine to do it for them, which is exactly the opposite of what we want, and is what the slop-peddlers are counting on happening to would-be artists.

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  • clonedhumanclonedhuman@mastodon.social
    Aug 9, 2026, 12:54 PM

    @dalias @limebar @FediThing
    I think we're sorta talking about the same thing here? Part of being creative is having the will to develop skill. Take playing guitar--it's difficult, your fingers hurt, and you can hear things you want to play but can't (yet); it can take years.

    But, I see your point beyond that--many punk bands made great songs despite little skill. They TRIED though--they had the WILL without having the SKILL (yet). They wanted to create.

    AI lets people skip the 'trying' part.

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  • mjc0961mjc0961@mastodon.social
    Aug 8, 2026, 3:46 PM

    @FediThing This is exactly why I'm immediately unsubscribing from channels that start using YouTube's AI thumbnail generator. Okay cool. How long before the script is AI slop? How long before instead of filming b-roll or buying from stock footage sellers, they just AI slop that? Time to get out at the first sign of rot.

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  • Dec [{(:no_ai:)}]dec23k@mastodon.ie
    Aug 8, 2026, 11:28 PM

    @FediThing @0x2ba22e11 @mjc0961 @vwestlife
    It's voluntary with YT videos, and some YT creators I follow (who usually make their own thumbnails) have tried it, for one video (with backlash).

    YT Studio was already allowing A/B testing of 2 thumbnails if you supply 2, prior to the slop thumbnail generator.

    @TechTangents posted examples of it getting thumbnails very very wrong (without using any in a video).
    FranLab (not on Fedi) made a video about it. She found the process very slow and tedious.

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  • Quinn9282 🖥️🌙✌️Quinn9282@mas.to
    Aug 8, 2026, 6:45 PM

    @0x2ba22e11 @mjc0961 @FediThing You have to manually opt-in to that AFAIK. As it stands, YouTube still automatically grabs a random frame from the video if you don't manually upload/choose your own thumbnail when uploading the video. Though either way, it doesn't stop people from just using ChatGPT or whatever to generate the AI thumbnails instead.

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  • mjc0961mjc0961@mastodon.social
    Aug 8, 2026, 7:03 PM

    @Quinn9282 Yeah it really doesn't matter if it's YouTube's tool or ChatGPT or whatever. If it's blatant AI slop, I'm pressing unsubscribe and/or don't recommend channel. It's an obvious sign of rot, if they're willing to hand over one part of the creative process, how many more will they hand over in the future? Trust is completely broken.

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  • mjc0961mjc0961@mastodon.social
    Aug 8, 2026, 7:05 PM

    @Quinn9282 Also it seems pretty obvious that it's opt in, because there isn't a massive outcry about Google forcing it on people. A lot of people would be PISSED about forced slop thumbnails they didn't want, and we'd hear about it.

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  • Trebachtrebach@functional.cafe
    Aug 9, 2026, 4:11 PM

    @mjc0961 @FediThing Most of that is YouTube making that the default and creators have to actively deselect it on each video so it's not an option in the number of thumbnails that appear to users.

    Depressingly, at least two creators have said they would deselect it but the AI ones are the ones with the most clicks to their videos

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  • grizeldigrizeldi@mastodon.gamedev.place
    Aug 8, 2026, 6:41 PM

    @FediThing @limebar So much this. When searching for new music, I scroll right past anything with obviously AI generated album cover, despite the track maybe not being AI generated.

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  • Jordanjordan@mastodon.subj.am
    Aug 8, 2026, 3:19 PM

    @limebar FWIW I largely see the opposite in my scene. In fact, even artists who post AI generated show flyers get reamed pretty badly for it.

    I think it's a matter of how much the artist truly values the creative process, the human expression aspects of their art. Which, I mean, is what art *is* at the core, right?

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  • Lime Barlimebar@mastodon.social
    Aug 8, 2026, 3:20 PM

    @jordan omg yeah, show flyers done with AI are so annoying in particular. I am not going to that show.

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  • Texas Techniciantxtechnician@mastodon.social
    Aug 8, 2026, 3:33 PM

    @limebar eh, creative destruction.

    Use the new tool as its intended to be used. As a research tool or as a replacement for a job you were never going to hire someone for.

    I know a local artist who uses AI for generating models. He asks it to show an animal or item in a certain pose. Then uses that inspiration to paint on canvas.

    Its difficult to get humans to do things. AI will just do things.

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  • Cassandrichdalias@hachyderm.io
    Aug 8, 2026, 3:39 PM

    @txtechnician @limebar No, don't use it at all. It will not do it right, and it will alter your initial idea in ways that you can't just set aside once you've seen it, and that will be plagiarizing others' art without you knowing or being able to know.

    If you need to see poses, you can buy (or nowadays, 3D print) poseable models. Or ask a person to pose for you to quickly sketch. There is no excuse for using slop for figuring out poses.

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  • Texas Techniciantxtechnician@mastodon.social
    Aug 9, 2026, 12:38 AM

    @dalias @limebar

    My argument is that AI/LLMs are, for all their faults, a useful tool.

    And like any tool. The ethics of its use are determined by its wielder.

    An argument to the extreme is:
    A gun is a tool. It can be used to harm someone who is innocent and likewise it can be used to stop an attacker. How it is used is up to the person holding the gun.

    It is undeniable how useful the tool (AI/LLMs) is.
    It is here to stay. The ethics of its use are up to the individual user.

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  • Texas Techniciantxtechnician@mastodon.social
    Aug 9, 2026, 1:03 AM

    @dalias @limebar
    You can use AI ethically. The same way you choose to use the internet ethically.

    Local or self hosted FOSS:
    - github.com/ollama/ollama?tab=M

    Even have it containerized using Alpaca:
    - youtu.be/hm1sruGB3LY?t=69&is=Q

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    Hell I used it to create a bunch of flyers for an event recently. And I feel none the less for it.

    That's not "theft". Would you consider it stealing, to draw a string of banner flags and confetti from memory?

    AI generated sponsorship banner of the Lipscomb county back to school bash.
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  • Texas Techniciantxtechnician@mastodon.social
    Aug 9, 2026, 1:10 AM

    @dalias @limebar

    Overall AI is a useful tool. And it will continue to grow.

    At this point it is an inevitability. There are far greater ethical concerns considering AI. Greater than me using AI to generate colorful banners.
    ---
    The ethical use of the tool AI is up to its wielder.

    Wheather that use be:
    1) Image recognition of a photo.
    2) Trolling ppl on Mastodon.

    The choice is yours.

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  • Cassandrichdalias@hachyderm.io
    Aug 9, 2026, 1:51 AM

    @txtechnician @limebar 1. Fucking shut up.

    2. NEVER AGAIN submit my words to your fucking slop machine for it to ingest. You do not have my consent to do that and it is a gross violation.

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  • Cassandrichdalias@hachyderm.io
    Aug 9, 2026, 3:30 AM

    @txtechnician @limebar My angry response at your violation of bondaries has nothing to do with whether I'm ok. It's a matter of whether your behavior is ok. And it's not.

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  • normy foxyoreosfoxyoreos@mastodon.social
    Aug 9, 2026, 7:46 AM

    @txtechnician AI has intrinsic issues that make it best avoided at this time entirely, but to be honest I'm more thrown off by your assertion that the art is both too simple to count as stealing and also too complicated for you to have done yourself.

    You don't know how to draw confetti? Or a triangle? You couldn't find clip art of a backpack?

    This level of learned helplessness is honestly baffling to me.

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  • normy foxyoreosfoxyoreos@mastodon.social
    Aug 9, 2026, 7:51 AM

    @txtechnician there's this real need from people who use AI to frame everything as simultaneously too trivial to put time into caring about or to deserve compensation, but also way too complicated and hard for anyone to ever expect them to do it themselves.

    Give me a dozen clip art posters or posters drawn by students, or even just skip the graphics entirely and print out a word doc if you don't care about the rest.

    "I can't draw confetti" is not a good enough reason to use AI.

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  • Shiv J.M.shivjm@mastodon.social
    Aug 9, 2026, 8:29 AM

    @txtechnician @dalias @limebar There’s no ethical use of a plagiarism machine that converts our limited natural resources into slop with the long-term goal of replacing human jobs.

    But you’ve shown in this thread that you have a very different idea of what constitutes ethical behaviour, so I’m not surprised you believe there is.

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  • Grassroots Joejoeinwynnewood@mstdn.social
    Aug 8, 2026, 3:39 PM

    @txtechnician

    I am definitely not an artist, but I am a former teacher, and education was an important element of my work almost all of my life.
    What I'll say is that doing things that are difficult is how we learn and grow as a person.
    If we use LLMs to avoid things that are difficult in life, we will be smaller as people for it.

    @limebar

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  • Texas Techniciantxtechnician@mastodon.social
    Aug 8, 2026, 3:43 PM

    @joeinwynnewood @limebar agreed.

    So I run our family DND games. We used to have time to do campaigns. But life got real busy and we could only do one offs.

    I use AI for (so much fun).

    My 10yo nephew wanted to try DM. I gave him books and such and let him do it.

    He was broken by the end of it. Because he used AI thinking it was what I was doing. (Near tears).

    I had a talk with him after about needing to understand the basis of the game before using AI.

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  • FediThing :progress_pride:FediThing@chinwag.org
    Aug 8, 2026, 4:28 PM

    @txtechnician @limebar

    AI isn't "doing" anything, it's stealing the things humans already made, while simultaneously boiling the planet and handing over power to a bunch of authoritarians.

    There are plenty of alternatives if you can't afford to commission an artist, Wikimedia Commons etc are full of non-AI images available free of charge under CC licence.

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  • BredrollBredroll@mas.to
    Aug 8, 2026, 6:10 PM

    @FediThing @txtechnician @limebar it IS doing things, but at low quality and of questionable legality, dont pretend the #ai threat is all trash, for many who don't care about authenticity or reliability and only want a cheap shot it works. it works especially well for those wanting to manipulate people via social media disinformation

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  • FediThing :progress_pride:FediThing@chinwag.org
    Aug 8, 2026, 6:39 PM

    @Bredroll

    "dont pretend the #ai threat is all trash"

    I was saying it was stolen, that's a slightly different complaint.

    (But it IS trash in the way it uses what it steals, as it doesn't understand it and often mashes it together with other stolen art incorrectly/inappropriately.)

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  • BredrollBredroll@mas.to
    Aug 8, 2026, 6:43 PM

    @FediThing oh yes, its horroble, but it will last a long while especially as its useful to bad actors and people with no morals

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  • Texas Techniciantxtechnician@mastodon.social
    Aug 8, 2026, 9:22 PM

    @Bredroll @FediThing @limebar just use a FOSS model if you feel that strongly about Big Tech.

    As for "its stealing what we made". There are no new ideas under sun. Everything is an evolution of a previous idea. Computers just have the capacity to evolve these ideas more rapidly than us.

    Its here to stay. Its just another tool. How its used is what needs to be focused on. Not "DONT USE IT".

    Cuz that ship has sailed over the edge of the earth.

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  • BredrollBredroll@mas.to
    Aug 8, 2026, 9:26 PM

    @txtechnician @FediThing @limebar the ownership of all LLM AI is in the hands of the worst people, the people who have all the money and power and treat us like NPCs in a game, to them, thier irresponsible law breaking is just a game, its exactly the same bunch of shitheads who propelled trump into power and championed crypto currency scams.

    There is no such thing as a FOSS LLM, the model weights being known is not the source, the stolen training data was

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  • Texas Techniciantxtechnician@mastodon.social
    Aug 8, 2026, 9:36 PM

    @limebar

    Bredroll in the 20s:

    There is no such thing as an open-source car! Car manufacturers are all owned by the rich and powerful. Who view us as pawns on a chessboard.

    Using a car is stealing. They literally stole the specs and designs of the motor and wagon wheel.

    We should not be using cars. I for one will continue to ride my horse.

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    Any new tech needs regulations. Those regulations require time to decide. We didn't have DLs till the 30s or 40s

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