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  • David Gerarddavidgerard@circumstances.run
    Jun 27, 2026, 5:17 PM

    If you don't want your Mullvad fees going to fund neo-Nazis - or @mozilla VPN fees, which is rebranded Mullvad - cancel and get a refund immediately

    that's whose "free speech" the official account is talking about here, and that's where your fees go to

    EDIT: Mullvad has a 14 day refund policy. But the message below is a direct call to ask for a refund if you don't want to give money to Nazis.

    If Mullvad refuse a refund, call your consumer protection agency. And reverse credit card charges on the basis of deceptive refund policy representations. It's not like you ever want to be a Mullvad customer again.

    archive copy of Mullvad statement: web.archive.org/web/2026062717

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  • David Gerarddavidgerard@circumstances.run
    Jun 27, 2026, 5:22 PM

    @gourd guess we'll just have to take it out of their hide then

    call for a refund anyway. "your official mastodon said to demand a refund if we don't want to give money to Nazis". hit consumer protection. reverse credit card charges on the basis of deceptive conduct.

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  • It'll be okay, we'll make it.onedawnconstant@climatejustice.social
    Jun 27, 2026, 8:33 PM

    @davidgerard @gourd Well, I guess that means they'll start kicking out pirates and hacktivists too. For a while, Mullvad was the go-to if you didn't want to run a VPS or do extensive research to find a non-ransomware owned VPN provider. Not everyone has the funds, knowledge, or time to utilize the best techniques in amateur opsec for just consuming and distributing media, so a VPN is the next choice. Fascism isn't a choice for anyone with a conscience.

    Yarrg, abandon ship! 🏴‍☠️

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  • disorderlyfdisorderlyf@todon.eu
    Jun 27, 2026, 5:34 PM

    @davidgerard @mozilla Currently looking into alternatives before I pull the trigger. Thankfully, if they don't refund it, the worst they're getting from me is another €5

    Edit for clarification: Card used to pay is an American one, so I don't expect to get anywhere with a chargeback or with a CFPB complaint.

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  • Mike Knellm@blat.at
    Jun 27, 2026, 5:48 PM

    @davidgerard @mozilla God, the sanctimonious bullshit about fighting for freedom of speech and free expression and welcoming anyone who shares those values is like the worst "oops, we got caught supporting Nazis" greatest hits tape ever.

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  • KerplunkKerplunk@mastodon.scot
    Jun 27, 2026, 5:54 PM

    @davidgerard @mozilla
    Mullvad is a political company fighting for free speech, free information and privacy,

    No part of that statement rejects support for nazis. It is just stinky word bending Hogwash.

    The only part of that statement I believe is
    Mullvad is a Political company.
    Away from the crap.

    and fighting for a free speech and information platform for nazis.

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  • KerplunkKerplunk@mastodon.scot
    Jun 28, 2026, 8:20 AM

    @ehproque @davidgerard @mozilla

    @Kerplunk yeah Nazis are famously supportive of freedom of expression, it's just logical to defend them if you value freedom of expression! @davidgerard @mozilla

    Have you ever tried to speak freely in an AFD Dominated room, the only thing the Fascists want is room for their lies deciept gaslighting and Hate Speech.

    Anyone who contradicts will be violently rebuked (often Physically) Threatened including friends and family.

    Mozilla is supporting that! by choice

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  • Fzm@kolektiva.social
    Jun 27, 2026, 6:07 PM

    @davidgerard
    You can bet your ass it's going to be used to deanonymize people's traffic for the benefit of Nazis. Bank on it

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  • Jon PENNYCOOKjonpsp@mstdn.social
    Jun 27, 2026, 6:47 PM

    @davidgerard

    > Mullvad has a 14 day refund policy

    Mullvad claim to delete your payment information quickly, hence the short refund period. They say this is so they don't know who their customers are. So this will be a good test of their data retention policy.

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  • Thomas Reedthomasareed@infosec.exchange
    Jun 27, 2026, 7:11 PM

    @davidgerard @mozilla @Viss This is why we can’t have nice things. 😔 Mullvad was the only VPN I knew of with a truly private service. So many other VPNs are absolute garbage that keep data on you and use misleading marketing.

    So what’s the alternative now?

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  • VissViss@mastodon.social
    Jun 27, 2026, 7:14 PM

    @thomasareed @davidgerard @mozilla i have a hardware firewall in a colo on 10 gig copper, and its my endpoint. ive given a few friends access to it so they can be afforded the same "be on a vpn when you leave the house" setup I have. the alternative is you either build your own vpn infra, or you use a friends.

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  • :awoo: :100awoo:jase@mastodon.art
    Jun 27, 2026, 9:48 PM

    @vandefiets @thomasareed @davidgerard@circumstances.run @mozilla @Viss Nym you're trading one fascist for another based on Nym's X posting (nitter.net/nym), reposting GB News, reposting xyz free speech absolutists who happen to have merch stores that say exactly where they sit in fascism and conspiracy, and then Harry, Nym's founder and owner, being proud about Nym using Brave Browser's adblock engine in their VPN, and then they have an Israeli server option so they're funding Israel.

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  • Boltboltx@mastodon.social
    Jun 27, 2026, 8:25 PM

    @thomasareed IVPN seems fair. No email needed just like Mullvad, same options for payments, open-source apps, very clear promises and also debunking of misinformation other VPN companies often say to convince people who don't need a VPN to pay them.

    ivpn.net/

    To be clear though, I haven't used them before, they've just been recommended by others for a while and a cursory look at their site gives me a fairly good impression of their honesty and values.

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  • SnuffleupadonUnsightly3055@universeodon.com
    Jun 27, 2026, 7:57 PM

    @davidgerard @mozilla I would really love it if I could go ONE YEAR without having to change providers because they can't provide a safe/secure product or are paying lip service to their stated goals. Good thing I started putting calendar reminders for when these services expire so I can pivot.

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  • Vmiss_rodent@girlcock.club
    Jun 27, 2026, 8:13 PM

    @alice @davidgerard 'respect differences of opinion' is great to a point, but, the paradox of tolerance ('nazi bar problem' and similar) has been a known issue since the 1940's (with some ideas in that vein as far back as the start of the 1800s at least) -.- so, weak and also has decades of analysis and argument around it that generally goes unaddressed by those invoking it...

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  • Vmiss_rodent@girlcock.club
    Jun 27, 2026, 8:27 PM

    @alice @davidgerard Like, if you *really* want to make a good argument about not removing the nazis from an organizational framing - it's not an issue of tolerance, but of whether that organization should be empowered to determine what is tolerable, because authoritarians use that power as we're seeing in the US now - declaring antifascism intolerance, while 'tolerating' (or, openly embracing, in this case) fascism. So, there is at least a reasonable argument to diffuse the decision communally

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  • Vmiss_rodent@girlcock.club
    Jun 27, 2026, 8:28 PM

    @alice @davidgerard but often they end up at 'we won't take a stand on this, but also will not allow the community to either'
    which just means welcoming in nazis, and forcing their victims out.
    (Or they explicitly take a stand with the intolerant, but won't tolerate their victims, ofc, adding evidence to why there is a valid criticism of allowing centralized power-structures to make the choice in the first place...)

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