@davidgerard well fuck. Pulling the "respecting differences of opinion" card is such a weak-ass move.
Fuck the far right (by whatever name), and fuck all its supporters.
@davidgerard well fuck. Pulling the "respecting differences of opinion" card is such a weak-ass move.
Fuck the far right (by whatever name), and fuck all its supporters.
@alice @davidgerard 'respect differences of opinion' is great to a point, but, the paradox of tolerance ('nazi bar problem' and similar) has been a known issue since the 1940's (with some ideas in that vein as far back as the start of the 1800s at least) -.- so, weak and also has decades of analysis and argument around it that generally goes unaddressed by those invoking it...
@alice @davidgerard Like, if you *really* want to make a good argument about not removing the nazis from an organizational framing - it's not an issue of tolerance, but of whether that organization should be empowered to determine what is tolerable, because authoritarians use that power as we're seeing in the US now - declaring antifascism intolerance, while 'tolerating' (or, openly embracing, in this case) fascism. So, there is at least a reasonable argument to diffuse the decision communally
@alice @davidgerard but often they end up at 'we won't take a stand on this, but also will not allow the community to either'
which just means welcoming in nazis, and forcing their victims out.
(Or they explicitly take a stand with the intolerant, but won't tolerate their victims, ofc, adding evidence to why there is a valid criticism of allowing centralized power-structures to make the choice in the first place...)