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[object Object]zzt@mas.to
Oct 14, 2026, 12:13 PM
I’m pushing this reply to top level because it’s extremely important: https://is.badat.dev/objects/a142a17d-9320-4007-bef4-99762f9fa854
> I asked whether that risked cutting off bright new developers that we would rather hang onto; Torvalds answered that the kernel project only wants serious developers. That includes having access to enough resources to function in this world.
> [...]
> Torvalds added that he does not want to scare off people who want to write code; his message is that you have to either put in the effort to learn, or put a lot of money into an LLM to participate.
Linus Torvalds prefers if you can’t contribute to the kernel without pouring money into tokens for Claude Code
if you don’t pay a shit ton of money for tokens, you aren’t a serious developer according to him
the “learn” thing here is a distraction: in this context, you’ll be learning to clean up slop until you either burn out (very quickly at that) or pay for tokens and cognitively surrender to the bot
that’s the learning path now
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[object Object]zzt@mas.to
Oct 14, 2026, 12:14 PM
LWN link for anyone who can’t access the link to that post (but it’s in my replies): https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/1099594/be20382b54a9b4cd/
e: subscriber link posted, thank you @techokami!
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[object Object]zzt@mas.to
Oct 14, 2026, 12:15 PM
oh cool and the LWN link about the invite only maintainers summit where Torvalds went full mask off is itself subscriber-only!
we’re fucking cooked aren’t we
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[object Object]zzt@mas.to
Oct 14, 2026, 12:16 PM
come back on the 22nd for exclusive content about how fucked over we got I guess?
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[object Object]zzt@mas.to
Oct 14, 2026, 12:29 PM
@techokami > Laurent Pinchart said that some developers are frustrated that they have to justify their work against criticisms from Sashiko while other, LLM-generated patches appear to be accepted immediately. Abeni defended the automated reviews, though, saying that the number of patches introducing bugs has dropped considerably. Zijlstra said that, while reading LLM-generated reviews "shuts my brain down", he still thought that the tool is useful; it finds real problems.
fucking amazing
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[object Object]zzt@mas.to
Oct 14, 2026, 12:31 PM
@techokami sashiko is their weird anthropomorphizing name for the LLM that runs on their CI and generates lists of “problems” with patches by the way, a thoroughly worthless thing in my long experience
as with all other systems like this, it thinks LLM code is a-ok but nitpicks code written by people to death
this is one of the mechanisms that burns you out fast when a project goes in on LLMs
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[object Object]zzt@mas.to
Oct 14, 2026, 12:31 PM
@techokami actually I have a previous post predicting this outcome for the kernel too
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Techokamitechokami@woof.tech
Oct 14, 2026, 12:19 PM
@zzt merry shitscram https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/1099594/be20382b54a9b4cd/
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[object Object]zzt@mas.to
Oct 14, 2026, 12:21 PM
@techokami thank you so much! I edited that into the original link post
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Christopher Gibiliscocjgibilisco@mastodon.gamedev.place
Oct 14, 2026, 12:23 PM
@techokami @zzt thank you!
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Avraclayote@peoplemaking.games
Oct 14, 2026, 12:30 PM
@techokami @zzt
Why bother, he asked, to search for all of the call sites of a function he has just modified, when the tool can fix them all automatically?
this has been a common feature of IDEs for well over a decade
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Colman ReillyColman@mastodon.ie
Oct 14, 2026, 1:52 PM
@clayote @techokami @zzt couldn’t ctags do that decades ago?
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d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
Oct 14, 2026, 1:57 PM
@Colman @clayote @techokami @zzt THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT
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LunaphiedLunaphied@provably.online
Oct 14, 2026, 6:40 PM
@zzt @clayote @hipsterelectron @Colman @techokami me when I learn about LSPs for the first time (seriously it's so useful I spent way too long doing stuff like this manually but it's invaluable in languages like Python especially
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d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
Oct 14, 2026, 7:02 PM
@Lunaphied @zzt @clayote @Colman @techokami my emacs package makes ripgrep matches editable and it is strictly more powerful and useful in every possible way along with not tying me to a specific compiler or build system and even working for projects i don't have to build in advance as a result
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[object Object]zzt@mas.to
Oct 14, 2026, 7:04 PM
@hipsterelectron @Lunaphied @clayote @Colman @techokami damn, fuck, that sounds excellent. I really like editable matching as an interface but the only emacs package I knew that did it was really barebones and a bit slow
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d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
Oct 14, 2026, 7:13 PM
@zzt @Lunaphied @clayote @Colman @techokami 100 stars on github somehow although the byte compiler is weird about my macro bullshit sometimes lmk if you want any features or shit breaks https://codeberg.org/cosmicexplorer/helm-rg i used to recommend deadgrep by wilfred hughes which was a really thoughtful bit of UI i was too lazy to do better than but he's a slopper now. if you can convince me to work on this again i would feel better about actually defeating him in the marketplace of ideas though
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[object Object]zzt@mas.to
Oct 14, 2026, 7:32 PM
@hipsterelectron @Lunaphied @clayote @Colman @techokami that’s so cool! is this available to me if I’m using vertico instead of helm?
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d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
Oct 14, 2026, 8:19 PM
@zzt @Lunaphied @clayote @Colman @techokami if you mean vertico for general completion then yes, it will pull in helm as a library and use it for the UI but that won't infect anything else. tbh i'm incredibly pissed off at helm after they tried to tell MELPA to delist my package since they made one themselves. thierry volpiatto can fite me irl
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d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
Oct 14, 2026, 8:20 PM
@zzt @Lunaphied @clayote @Colman @techokami helm also tends to just break shit every so often for fun i just need to get my act together and move to something else. never heard of vertico before tbh i'll have to check it out
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kriskris@todon.eu
Oct 14, 2026, 8:42 PM
@hipsterelectron @zzt @Lunaphied @clayote @Colman @techokami
vertico + orderless is a great combo
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[object Object]zzt@mas.to
Oct 14, 2026, 8:23 PM
@hipsterelectron @Lunaphied @clayote @Colman @techokami what in the fuck, now I’m actively glad I don’t use helm
but anyway yes I’m gonna pull your package in next time I regenerate my session!
(some inside baseball on how my distro currently works, I build emacs and all its packages in one step but the old one gets orphaned so I have to restart my session right after I do it. what I need to do is make sessions user packages and hold a symlink to the currently running session somewhere but I have not done this yet)
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d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
Oct 14, 2026, 8:29 PM
@zzt this is why i stopped being polite and just started flaming people outright
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Damudunderhead@vivaldi.net
Oct 14, 2026, 8:22 PM
@zzt @hipsterelectron tangentially related but I am always confused by the minad suite. I have never been able to figure out/remember what is needed for what and I end up installing all of them and getting further confused.
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algernon.stzardoz@ioc.exchange
Oct 14, 2026, 9:33 PM
@hipsterelectron whats the deal with Helm? I have heard of it but I dont know if its meant to be a specific package that cannot be installed with others or something. Like I have heard ido and ivy do similar things
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d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
Oct 14, 2026, 9:37 PM
@zardoz so all of these plug into completing-read and shit. the reason this is confusing is because if you M-x helm-mode it takes over all your completions everywhere and it has some incredibly half-assed defaults (i personally find it unusable for C-x C-f, which i use ido for, which also has fantastic LRU ranking for this while otherwise going by lex sort)
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d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
Oct 14, 2026, 9:38 PM
@zardoz helm's problem is that thierry volpiatto is a prick https://circumstances.run/@hipsterelectron/117441114505968470
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The Orange Themetheorangetheme@en.osm.town
Oct 14, 2026, 7:09 PM
@hipsterelectron @Lunaphied @zzt @clayote @Colman @techokami Whaaaat that sounds so cool!
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d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
Oct 14, 2026, 7:24 PM
@theorangetheme @Lunaphied @zzt @clayote @Colman @techokami emacs 2024 talk on regex and text as an interface featuring copious citation of @jamiejennings if you're interested https://emacsconf.org/2024/talks/regex dr. jennings does https://rosie-lang.org
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d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
Oct 14, 2026, 7:24 PM
@theorangetheme @Lunaphied @zzt @clayote @Colman @techokami @jamiejennings highlights include https://circumstances.run/@hipsterelectron/113680457433333172
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The Orange Themetheorangetheme@en.osm.town
Oct 14, 2026, 7:28 PM
@hipsterelectron @Lunaphied @zzt @clayote @Colman @techokami @jamiejennings Supremely interested, thank you! (I've been a faithful emacs user since like... 2015.)
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d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
Oct 14, 2026, 1:58 PM
@clayote @techokami @zzt my emacs package does this
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dimenziodimenzio@social.linux.pizza
Oct 14, 2026, 2:04 PM
@clayote @techokami @zzt I love using GPU clusters to do basic IDE features that work in a Thinkpad
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Karpourkarpour@mstdn.social
Oct 14, 2026, 3:42 PM
@clayote @techokami @zzt the cognitive decline hits hard D:
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Wee bullweebull@mastodon.social
Oct 15, 2026, 12:37 PM
@karpour @clayote @techokami @zzt It really does. I feel like I'm watching my colleagues devolve in front of my eyes. They're addicts.
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JPfroztbyte@mastodon.social
Oct 15, 2026, 2:55 PM
@weebull @karpour @clayote @techokami @zzt they’re also so damned *hyper* about it, ime
(which just reminded me of a thing and I posted: https://mastodon.social/@froztbyte/117445494784797413)
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Sharp Cheddar Goblinsharpcheddargoblin@reclusive.blog
Oct 14, 2026, 1:51 PM
@techokami @zzt Great. Every single one of these folks can fuck off. They are actively destroying a critical part of modern technology.
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Gabriele Sveltogabrielesvelto@mas.to
Oct 14, 2026, 2:57 PM
@techokami @zzt "LLMs are not the problem, it's the users' fault" is basically the same argument used by pro-gun lobbyists in the US. Tells you just how much they care about fixing the problem.
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Krampus 🌰castanea_jo@ni.hil.ist
Oct 14, 2026, 4:19 PM
@techokami @zzt That picture sure is melanin-challenged.
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Jay Grant 🏳️‍⚧️mxjaygrant@triangletoot.party
Oct 14, 2026, 6:55 PM
@castanea_jo it's also a sausage fest
@techokami @zzt
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USB Type-Steve :verified:USBTypeSteve@infosec.exchange
Oct 14, 2026, 12:26 PM
@zzt Seeing Torvalds go full AI brain has been immensely disappointing.
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David Culleydavidculley@hachyderm.io
Oct 14, 2026, 7:59 PM
@USBTypeSteve @zzt A million-dollar salary paid by the corporations behind the Linux Foundation incentivized Linus.
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Christopher Gibiliscocjgibilisco@mastodon.gamedev.place
Oct 14, 2026, 12:23 PM
@zzt @techokami “Linus Torvalds believes that blaming LLMs for the kernel community's problems is wrong, when the problem is LLM users who do not understand how to use them or how the kernel works.”
I don’t even know what to say!
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[object Object]zzt@mas.to
Oct 14, 2026, 12:26 PM
@cjgibilisco @techokami channeling all the managers shouting over their project being on fire with PIPs for everyone who failed them by not LLMing hard enough
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Abhiramaxel@social.glitched.systems
Oct 14, 2026, 12:26 PM
@cjgibilisco@mastodon.gamedev.place @techokami@woof.tech @zzt@mas.to this is just "guns don't kill people, people kill people" all over again smh. I'm exhausted. :blobfoxsad:
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Christopher Gibiliscocjgibilisco@mastodon.gamedev.place
Oct 14, 2026, 12:27 PM
@axel @techokami @zzt a gun is just a tool!
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mathewmathew@universeodon.com
Oct 14, 2026, 12:53 PM
@cjgibilisco @zzt @techokami I’ve noticed this is a common pattern with those who become AI dependent: the AI cannot fail, it is always the humans who have failed the AI. The final form of cognitive surrender.
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CynAq🤘CynAq@beige.party
Oct 14, 2026, 12:40 PM
@zzt @techokami I’m repeating the prediction I made half an hour ago: it won’t be long before Linus goes on a rant that somehow culminates in “too many brown contributors to FOSS”
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Moses Izumi (he/him)moses_izumi@fe.disroot.org
Oct 14, 2026, 12:50 PM
@zzt @techokami
- sashiko is japanese for seamstress
- slop originally meant "poorly made clothes"
Things really have gone full circle.
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Urzlgooba42@mastodon.social
Oct 14, 2026, 3:40 PM
@zzt @techokami The most fun thing about them at work is that they manage to follow "best practices" better than most humans but do it in service to code that otherwise doesn't work.
The cleanest, most SOLID and DRY implementation of nothing in particular that you've ever seen.
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Christopher Gibiliscocjgibilisco@mastodon.gamedev.place
Oct 14, 2026, 12:34 PM
@zzt @techokami a lot to unpack here.
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Techokamitechokami@woof.tech
Oct 14, 2026, 12:36 PM
@zzt this whole thing is just a multitude of fuckedness
THIS hurt the most to read:
> Torvalds and others repeatedly said low-quality contributions from new developers should receive low priority, and that the community should stop trying to make contribution easy. Many developers said, repeatedly, that trying to mentor those developers is almost always a waste of time; they do not listen.
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Techokamitechokami@woof.tech
Oct 14, 2026, 12:56 PM
@zzt also it sounds like if you want to become a contributor now, hope you have lots of money for plane flights and hotel rooms to frequent conferences enough to be noticed
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Techokamitechokami@woof.tech
Oct 14, 2026, 1:12 PM
@zzt
> Eric Dumazet announced that he had just retired, and that all of his pain points have vanished
ah yes, the "fuck this shit I'm out" strategy
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Johnjohnzajac@dice.camp
Oct 14, 2026, 1:32 PM
@techokami @zzt
"We shouldn't train people in our discipline" is a take, but it's a transparently stupid take.
And a self-annihilating one.
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dimenziodimenzio@social.linux.pizza
Oct 14, 2026, 1:35 PM
@johnzajac @techokami @zzt This is complete budget related company think of "I don't need slower juniors, someone else will train them!" - but in a context where it makes zero sense unless you accept Linux already being completely undermined by corporate desires (it is).
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Johnjohnzajac@dice.camp
Oct 14, 2026, 1:49 PM
@dimenzio @techokami @zzt
The NPO world has always been a tax haven, and since the 1980s has been growth-pilled to the point where working in NPOs/Foundations is nearly indistinguishable from working for tech companies, except that because of the earnest nature of people attracted to that sector, there's significantly more abuse and overwork that goes unreported and unaddressed.
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Techokamitechokami@woof.tech
Oct 15, 2026, 5:44 PM
@zzt Oh boy, there's a followup to this... you know that slopcoded patch set Linus mentioned concocting? Heeeere it is... https://lwn.net/Articles/1100449/
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[object Object]zzt@mas.to
Oct 15, 2026, 5:46 PM
@techokami > The end result is an order-of-magnitude speedup for a read()-heavy benchmark. Review has already identified a race condition in the code, though, so further work will be needed.
every time
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linear cannonlinear@nya.social
Oct 15, 2026, 5:47 PM
@zzt@mas.to @techokami@woof.tech just a thought, but, maybe, perhaps, just possibly, the code was an order of magnitude slower than it could have been because it needed to be in order to avoid a race condition.
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Techokamitechokami@woof.tech
Oct 15, 2026, 5:52 PM
@linear @zzt reading the resulting thread, it's always a treat to see a kernel maintainer say thing like - and I quote - "I don't know how RCU works internally." Really inspires confidence.
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