Oct 14, 2026, 12:14 PMLWN link for anyone who can’t access the link to that post (but it’s in my replies): https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/1099594/be20382b54a9b4cd/
e: subscriber link posted, thank you @techokami!
- Oct 14, 2026, 12:14 PM
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- Oct 14, 2026, 12:15 PM
oh cool and the LWN link about the invite only maintainers summit where Torvalds went full mask off is itself subscriber-only!
we’re fucking cooked aren’t we
- Oct 14, 2026, 12:16 PM
come back on the 22nd for exclusive content about how fucked over we got I guess?
- Oct 14, 2026, 12:29 PM
@techokami > Laurent Pinchart said that some developers are frustrated that they have to justify their work against criticisms from Sashiko while other, LLM-generated patches appear to be accepted immediately. Abeni defended the automated reviews, though, saying that the number of patches introducing bugs has dropped considerably. Zijlstra said that, while reading LLM-generated reviews "shuts my brain down", he still thought that the tool is useful; it finds real problems.
fucking amazing
- Oct 14, 2026, 12:31 PM
@techokami sashiko is their weird anthropomorphizing name for the LLM that runs on their CI and generates lists of “problems” with patches by the way, a thoroughly worthless thing in my long experience
as with all other systems like this, it thinks LLM code is a-ok but nitpicks code written by people to death
this is one of the mechanisms that burns you out fast when a project goes in on LLMs
- Oct 14, 2026, 12:31 PM
@techokami actually I have a previous post predicting this outcome for the kernel too
Oct 14, 2026, 12:19 PM@zzt merry shitscram https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/1099594/be20382b54a9b4cd/
- Oct 14, 2026, 12:21 PM
@techokami thank you so much! I edited that into the original link post
Christopher Gibiliscocjgibilisco@mastodon.gamedev.placeOct 14, 2026, 12:23 PM@techokami @zzt thank you!
Avraclayote@peoplemaking.gamesOct 14, 2026, 12:30 PMWhy bother, he asked, to search for all of the call sites of a function he has just modified, when the tool can fix them all automatically?
this has been a common feature of IDEs for well over a decade
Colman ReillyColman@mastodon.ieOct 14, 2026, 1:52 PM@clayote @techokami @zzt couldn’t ctags do that decades ago?
d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.runOct 14, 2026, 1:57 PM@Colman @clayote @techokami @zzt THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT
LunaphiedLunaphied@provably.onlineOct 14, 2026, 6:40 PM@zzt @clayote @hipsterelectron @Colman @techokami me when I learn about LSPs for the first time (seriously it's so useful I spent way too long doing stuff like this manually but it's invaluable in languages like Python especially
- d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.runOct 14, 2026, 7:02 PM
@Lunaphied @zzt @clayote @Colman @techokami my emacs package makes ripgrep matches editable and it is strictly more powerful and useful in every possible way along with not tying me to a specific compiler or build system and even working for projects i don't have to build in advance as a result
- Oct 14, 2026, 7:04 PM
@hipsterelectron @Lunaphied @clayote @Colman @techokami damn, fuck, that sounds excellent. I really like editable matching as an interface but the only emacs package I knew that did it was really barebones and a bit slow
- d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.runOct 14, 2026, 7:13 PM
@zzt @Lunaphied @clayote @Colman @techokami 100 stars on github somehow although the byte compiler is weird about my macro bullshit sometimes lmk if you want any features or shit breaks https://codeberg.org/cosmicexplorer/helm-rg i used to recommend deadgrep by wilfred hughes which was a really thoughtful bit of UI i was too lazy to do better than but he's a slopper now. if you can convince me to work on this again i would feel better about actually defeating him in the marketplace of ideas though
- Oct 14, 2026, 7:32 PM
@hipsterelectron @Lunaphied @clayote @Colman @techokami that’s so cool! is this available to me if I’m using vertico instead of helm?
- d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.runOct 14, 2026, 8:19 PM
@zzt @Lunaphied @clayote @Colman @techokami if you mean vertico for general completion then yes, it will pull in helm as a library and use it for the UI but that won't infect anything else. tbh i'm incredibly pissed off at helm after they tried to tell MELPA to delist my package since they made one themselves. thierry volpiatto can fite me irl
- d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.runOct 14, 2026, 8:20 PM
@zzt @Lunaphied @clayote @Colman @techokami helm also tends to just break shit every so often for fun i just need to get my act together and move to something else. never heard of vertico before tbh i'll have to check it out
Oct 14, 2026, 8:42 PM@hipsterelectron @zzt @Lunaphied @clayote @Colman @techokami
vertico + orderless is a great combo
- Oct 14, 2026, 8:23 PM
@hipsterelectron @Lunaphied @clayote @Colman @techokami what in the fuck, now I’m actively glad I don’t use helm
but anyway yes I’m gonna pull your package in next time I regenerate my session!
(some inside baseball on how my distro currently works, I build emacs and all its packages in one step but the old one gets orphaned so I have to restart my session right after I do it. what I need to do is make sessions user packages and hold a symlink to the currently running session somewhere but I have not done this yet)
- d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.runOct 14, 2026, 8:29 PM
@zzt this is why i stopped being polite and just started flaming people outright
Damudunderhead@vivaldi.netOct 14, 2026, 8:22 PM@zzt @hipsterelectron tangentially related but I am always confused by the minad suite. I have never been able to figure out/remember what is needed for what and I end up installing all of them and getting further confused.
algernon.stzardoz@ioc.exchangeOct 14, 2026, 9:33 PM@hipsterelectron whats the deal with Helm? I have heard of it but I dont know if its meant to be a specific package that cannot be installed with others or something. Like I have heard ido and ivy do similar things
- d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.runOct 14, 2026, 9:37 PM
@zardoz so all of these plug into completing-read and shit. the reason this is confusing is because if you M-x helm-mode it takes over all your completions everywhere and it has some incredibly half-assed defaults (i personally find it unusable for C-x C-f, which i use ido for, which also has fantastic LRU ranking for this while otherwise going by lex sort)
- d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.runOct 14, 2026, 9:38 PM
@zardoz helm's problem is that thierry volpiatto is a prick https://circumstances.run/@hipsterelectron/117441114505968470
The Orange Themetheorangetheme@en.osm.townOct 14, 2026, 7:09 PM@hipsterelectron @Lunaphied @zzt @clayote @Colman @techokami Whaaaat that sounds so cool!
- d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.runOct 14, 2026, 7:24 PM
@theorangetheme @Lunaphied @zzt @clayote @Colman @techokami emacs 2024 talk on regex and text as an interface featuring copious citation of @jamiejennings if you're interested https://emacsconf.org/2024/talks/regex dr. jennings does https://rosie-lang.org
- d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.runOct 14, 2026, 7:24 PM
- The Orange Themetheorangetheme@en.osm.townOct 14, 2026, 7:28 PM
@hipsterelectron @Lunaphied @zzt @clayote @Colman @techokami @jamiejennings Supremely interested, thank you! (I've been a faithful emacs user since like... 2015.)
- d@nny disc@hipsterelectron@circumstances.runOct 14, 2026, 1:58 PM
@clayote @techokami @zzt my emacs package does this
dimenziodimenzio@social.linux.pizzaOct 14, 2026, 2:04 PM@clayote @techokami @zzt I love using GPU clusters to do basic IDE features that work in a Thinkpad
Karpourkarpour@mstdn.socialOct 14, 2026, 3:42 PM@clayote @techokami @zzt the cognitive decline hits hard D:
Sharp Cheddar Goblinsharpcheddargoblin@reclusive.blogOct 14, 2026, 1:51 PM@techokami @zzt Great. Every single one of these folks can fuck off. They are actively destroying a critical part of modern technology.
Gabriele Sveltogabrielesvelto@mas.toOct 14, 2026, 2:57 PM@techokami @zzt "LLMs are not the problem, it's the users' fault" is basically the same argument used by pro-gun lobbyists in the US. Tells you just how much they care about fixing the problem.
Krampus 🌰castanea_jo@ni.hil.istOct 14, 2026, 4:19 PM@techokami @zzt That picture sure is melanin-challenged.
USB Type-Steve :verified:USBTypeSteve@infosec.exchangeOct 14, 2026, 12:26 PM@zzt Seeing Torvalds go full AI brain has been immensely disappointing.
David Culleydavidculley@hachyderm.ioOct 14, 2026, 7:59 PM@USBTypeSteve @zzt A million-dollar salary paid by the corporations behind the Linux Foundation incentivized Linus.
- Christopher Gibiliscocjgibilisco@mastodon.gamedev.placeOct 14, 2026, 12:23 PM
@zzt @techokami “Linus Torvalds believes that blaming LLMs for the kernel community's problems is wrong, when the problem is LLM users who do not understand how to use them or how the kernel works.”
I don’t even know what to say!
- Oct 14, 2026, 12:26 PM
@cjgibilisco @techokami channeling all the managers shouting over their project being on fire with PIPs for everyone who failed them by not LLMing hard enough
Oct 14, 2026, 12:26 PM@cjgibilisco@mastodon.gamedev.place @techokami@woof.tech @zzt@mas.to this is just "guns don't kill people, people kill people" all over again smh. I'm exhausted. :blobfoxsad:
- Christopher Gibiliscocjgibilisco@mastodon.gamedev.placeOct 14, 2026, 12:27 PM
@axel @techokami @zzt a gun is just a tool!
mathewmathew@universeodon.comOct 14, 2026, 12:53 PM@cjgibilisco @zzt @techokami I’ve noticed this is a common pattern with those who become AI dependent: the AI cannot fail, it is always the humans who have failed the AI. The final form of cognitive surrender.
CynAq🤘CynAq@beige.partyOct 14, 2026, 12:40 PM@zzt @techokami I’m repeating the prediction I made half an hour ago: it won’t be long before Linus goes on a rant that somehow culminates in “too many brown contributors to FOSS”
Moses Izumi (he/him)moses_izumi@fe.disroot.orgOct 14, 2026, 12:50 PM@zzt @techokami
- sashiko is japanese for seamstress
- slop originally meant "poorly made clothes"
Things really have gone full circle.
Urzlgooba42@mastodon.socialOct 14, 2026, 3:40 PM@zzt @techokami The most fun thing about them at work is that they manage to follow "best practices" better than most humans but do it in service to code that otherwise doesn't work.
The cleanest, most SOLID and DRY implementation of nothing in particular that you've ever seen.
- Christopher Gibiliscocjgibilisco@mastodon.gamedev.placeOct 14, 2026, 12:34 PM
@zzt @techokami a lot to unpack here.
- Oct 14, 2026, 12:36 PM
@zzt this whole thing is just a multitude of fuckedness
THIS hurt the most to read:
> Torvalds and others repeatedly said low-quality contributions from new developers should receive low priority, and that the community should stop trying to make contribution easy. Many developers said, repeatedly, that trying to mentor those developers is almost always a waste of time; they do not listen. - Oct 14, 2026, 12:56 PM
@zzt also it sounds like if you want to become a contributor now, hope you have lots of money for plane flights and hotel rooms to frequent conferences enough to be noticed
- Oct 14, 2026, 1:12 PM
@zzt
> Eric Dumazet announced that he had just retired, and that all of his pain points have vanished
ah yes, the "fuck this shit I'm out" strategy 
Oct 14, 2026, 1:32 PM"We shouldn't train people in our discipline" is a take, but it's a transparently stupid take.
And a self-annihilating one.
- dimenziodimenzio@social.linux.pizzaOct 14, 2026, 1:35 PM
@johnzajac @techokami @zzt This is complete budget related company think of "I don't need slower juniors, someone else will train them!" - but in a context where it makes zero sense unless you accept Linux already being completely undermined by corporate desires (it is).
- Oct 14, 2026, 1:49 PM
The NPO world has always been a tax haven, and since the 1980s has been growth-pilled to the point where working in NPOs/Foundations is nearly indistinguishable from working for tech companies, except that because of the earnest nature of people attracted to that sector, there's significantly more abuse and overwork that goes unreported and unaddressed.
Aria <3 :blobcattrans:ariarhythmic@ohai.socialOct 14, 2026, 1:26 PM@techokami @zzt That very attitude is how an organization kills itself
- Aria <3 :blobcattrans:ariarhythmic@ohai.socialOct 14, 2026, 1:43 PM
@techokami @zzt This is a really bizzare combination of obnoxious elitism and AI psychosis, by the way.
"you have to either put in the effort to learn, or put a lot of money into an LLM to participate."
In other words, we have impossible standards, but they don't apply if you're rich and sucking up to Anthropic like we are.
Linux is fascist. It would be irresponsible to deny, a project entirely taken over by fascist techbros and their fascist corporate backers is fascist and dead walking.
- Oct 14, 2026, 1:47 PM
@ariarhythmic @techokami this is exactly how it is in the corporate world too
if the project fails, you didn’t LLM hard enough. if the quality is bad, you promoted it wrong and reviewed it wrong
the LLM is blameless
so the programming team quickly turns into a group of people looking to scapegoat each other
UnlikelyLassUnlikelylass@mspsocial.netOct 14, 2026, 1:34 PM@techokami @zzt "Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
ImogenHopelessDemigod@mstdn.socialOct 14, 2026, 1:42 PMSounds like elitism to me. Congratulations Generation X, we turned out to be exactly like our parents.
We should be nurturing the new blood because let’s face it, many of us are getting old.
- UnlikelyLassUnlikelylass@mspsocial.netOct 14, 2026, 1:59 PM
@HopelessDemigod @techokami @zzt exactly right.
Sussus Amogussussusamogus@mastodon.socialOct 14, 2026, 3:55 PM@techokami @zzt makes me glad i never ended up learning linux kernel dev 😬
though hey, this might just break me out of the sort of programming burnout i've been having and get me to contribute to netbsd so... thanks linus, i guess?
tapafontapafon@isn.tapaf.onlOct 14, 2026, 3:58 PM@techokami @zzt I won't be surprised if Linus ends up switching Linux to source-avaliable model or even outright closing sources whatsoever and selling licenses to companies directly.
Unfortunately my work/life flow (including VR) is only possible on either Windows or Linux, at least for now.