"The people holding up the internet"
A good-looking but somewhat depressing exposé about the people holding up current digital infrastructure as a hobby.
"The people holding up the internet"
A good-looking but somewhat depressing exposé about the people holding up current digital infrastructure as a hobby.
@bagder so cool
and also depressing to see the big players not supporting you more
@bagder I think dnsmasq is missing, it's used every where and isn't a big team if I recall the interview with its creator and maintainer.
@drajt I'm sure there are several more projects that could be added to that collection
@bagder SAP are issuing critical notes almost every day, and they have an army of developers to fix things. It must be a nightmare for all the small teams and "one man bands" to keep up.
I've used Debian for decades, and contributed a little now and then, but it's painfully clear that I owe more to a lot of people, and there needs to be a low cost and fair way of supporting everyone...
@bagder and that one is on the big visible ones. So it is probably biased toward support....
Hard for me to articulate the thanks and awe I feel for this generation of engineers and prior engineers for contributions like these. Now we have a culture promoted through AI that is void of sharing and collaboration.
@bagder the phrases "red on the wall" and "hidden way" as opposed to blood on the wall and backdoor makes me think this was translated and potentially built by AI. Something doesn't sound right about this site.
@OliviaVespera @bagder I think "red on the wall" referred to the red blocks on the bar plot. that *could* be a proxy for a metaphorical blood the developer donated, in the sense of hard unpaid labor, but I doubt that level of poetry is implied.
@joe_vinegar @bagder i think it was meant to be writing on the wall. Eitherway something is weird with this article. it's no @tg
@bagder The world runs on top of unappreciated volunteer work.
@bagder
A depressingly badly designed site. Too pretty. Too little text on each screen.
@mherbert I missed that, so I appreciate you calling it out. It does indeed make the site much more readable.
@bagder I hope you don't take this in any kind of disrespectful way, but I am immensely glad that my adventures in writing software over the last 40 years have never resulted in me maintaining anything that anybody actually uses!
@losttourist @bagder A free software tool I wrote got a bug report a few years back, 25 years after the 1.0 release, so I ended up making a 1.1 release of it. Have to keep the user (singular) happy!
@bagder I wish I had come accross such article on bbc.
@bagder I think the most depressing thing is how little money is at stake. This doesn't even rise to the level of 'rounding error' for companies using these resources.
sigh, "peasants" do all the work, useless billionaires take all the credit & money...
really upsetting the story of the Russian prison guy, i hope he is better supported these days
@peachfront @bagder I hope he's better supported...but also to treat a woman's death (which just somehow happened, in the passive voice) primarily as a problem for that guy, and for software development, felt...off
@peachfront I suppose seeing the way people tend to cover traffic violence as something that just somehow 'happens', and the tendency to excuse men's violence against women is those men are considered admirable in some way, I'm less likely to take that assumption at face value.
The way the sentence is framed certainly encourages us to think of the woman's death as a sad but unavoidable side note to the Russian guy's story.
But then, the impacts of men's violence against women are often framed like this: as primarily a problem for the men. Or for their projects.
sigh, in what world is it controversial to comment that a traffic accident resulting in a death is sad?
no, i don't think traffic violence is treated as something that somehow just happens, that just isn't the world we live in, the human tendency is to make sure somebody always gets blamed
i know nothing about the case except the length of the sentence, but IF it was negligent homicide (driver was drunk) doubt he'd be out in 10 months whereas if the pedestrian was drunk & stumbled out in traffic a judge might well believe that was a reasonable sentence for an unpopular driver (a foreigner) "not being in control of his vehicle" even if he could not have reasonably stopped his vehicle in time to prevent the accident
but the reality is we don't know what happened, we just know the whole mess was sad and this particular story was about the fragility of the internet -- not about the dangers of driving (or walking across) dark streets in the dead of night
This is a deeply important article, IMHO.
@bagder "holding up" is another phrase that has a dual meaning, in one case it can mean obstructing or getting in the way of, in the other (which i'm assuming is the intended use the article meant) is to support or maintain
@bagder Amongst other things, I really hope slowclap can be used to better fund open source maintainers. The current system of patronage clearly doesn’t work for these sorts of projects, but maybe with a bunch of small donations from people that have set aside $5+ to support everything they care about. It will make a huge difference.
Though the problem remains that many people don’t know they’re the beneficiaries of these tools, don’t know who to support, and presume they’re funded by sponsors or something.
@bagder hmm... cool but small correction.
@bagder also i believe it's actually -4 and not -5.... whatever though.
@loganer timezone definitions are based on continent and city, not country and label. their job is to describe what the de facto time is and was in a location, and locations change countries - in fact, a ton of places have changed countries several times since standard time records began.
a zone definition for a particular time period lists the standard offset from UTC (before DST is accounted for), and then the name of the DST rules currently in effect - in your case Canada.
@loganer here's more info on how the tz database is structured, and various quirks of local timekeeping that have had to be incorporated into it:
@outfrost i will have this bookmarked for later for a good deep reading...
I just know that i've always linked to /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern
@loganer i see, i checked and those appear to be legacy identifiers, supported for backwards compatibility. here's more on how zones are identified and why:
@bagder Sometimes I want to organize a Monday where all the volunteers leftpad the world: pull packages down from repositories, shut down servers, just _stop_ being that one guy in Nebraska for 24 hours.
@bagder what a fantastic site, and what a great insight in the few heroes
@bagder And the famous related xkcd:
https://xkcd.com/2347/
EDIT - After opening the link, I see that this very xkcd is referenced on the page.
@bagder Hold on, "he was driving home at 3 a.m. when two young women on a dark road ended up under his car, and one of them died" I believe the @waroncars would like to have a word with the author...
@bagder
Oh, I remember the XZ ordeal and I still feel sorry for the guy. This is an important topic you have brought up.
@bagder damn, didn't know the Democratic Republic of the Congo maintains libjpeg
jokes aside, it is pretty dire
How many bytes is a perpetuity in Forth?
@bagder I can't read this without enabling JavaScript, but I assume it gets into how TZ issues involve lots of politics?
@bagder Thank you for the decades of work you have done to keep the world running. Your efforts are greatly effecting the life of many around the world, very much positively.
@bagder true heroes. I think it shows the value of giving things for free. The world needs more of it
@bagder ...
the headlines "wordle" game is nice at least? 🥲
@bagder What time it is?
It’s credits ’o clock.
@bagder that "where we got the data" bit at the bottom really highlights how apple, MSFT and google really do gain the most here *and are the most exposed security-wise*.
@bagder
I don't find it completely depressing. It's also a monument of selflessness. Even kind of inspiring.