"If the Democratic Socialists take over that is, like, the end of America."
- Peter Thiel
Essay Prompt: What does this statement suggest about the characteristics Mr. Thiel sees as foundational and essential to "America"?
I won't do my own homework, but I will say what I think would constitute "The End of America"
If it is ever clear that the people* cannot through organizing, the courts and existing political institutions reshape their government, change the rules to make the world more like what they think would be right? Then it is over.
*Let's call "the people" every adult person who lives here permanently of all genders, faiths (or lack thereof), races, ethnicities and political allegiances.
Thus, any changes that alter *who* can exercise power are key.
"Full Communism" would be a kind of end. If everyone must be a member of one party that is a dead end. But, it would be hopelessly naive to assume this is what frightens Mr. Thiel. This fake horror story about the dead end of an all-powerful state is a cover story for what really scares him: literally the opposite issue.
Not too few having influence or power. He fears there will be too many. Me, you, us, that guy over there too.
@futurebird Peter Thiel, who wasn't sure in an interview if he would like humanity to survive.
@AngelaCarstensen ... and showed ideas of fascist eugenics (kill all who are not rich enough) in others.
Oct 31, 2026, 1:02 PM@AngelaCarstensen @futurebird does he not consider himself part of humanity?
I guess not. He is above it all or something.
@farah @AngelaCarstensen @futurebird In all fairness to Mr Thiel, I too begin to doubt he is part of humanity.
Oct 31, 2026, 10:40 AM@futurebird Being anti-democratic and anti-social :p
@futurebird if only... and it would be high time
@futurebird He's a libertarian, so presumably he considers "Freedom" very important. He's on the record saying that Freedom is incompatible with democracy. So, as anyone paying even a bit of attention has noticed, he considers democracy to be an obstacle to be removed. Of course, he was the first billionaire to endorse Trump when he was only newsworthy because the Very Serious People considered him a joke.
Oct 31, 2026, 4:16 PM@ehproque @futurebird Which, in hindsight, was mostly correct, but unfortunately the country agreed to let him drag us all into the laughing stocks with him.
I will forever be embarrassed and disgusted that our government gave this man Citizenship. He didn't earn it, he's never lived here to qualify for it, and the country wasn't informed of his political leanings beforehand.
If I have my way, he'll be ousted along with Kash Patel's FBI office that was covertly installed in our Capital City.
That's not what "full Communism" means.
Full Communism means "from each according to their means, to each according to their needs".
No mention of Party there.
Also, Full Communism means abolition of the State, so why would there be a Party if there is no State ?
@futurebird Oh please, let America end very soon, in this sense! The world would be grateful!
@futurebird unlimited capitalist exploitation and abuse
@futurebird What these people fear is what real freedom looks like. The kind of freedom that liberates everyone, not just the wealthy and powerful. That kind of freedom is maybe the end of their America, but it would be the beginning of everyone else's.
@futurebird I have seen Barack Obama, the 44th president of America making companies for some people whom he wish to be leaders of the States!
Is Obama a socialist?And what do you say about this?
AND on the other hand,would American vote him if he could campaign for presidency again?
Obama is a liberal not socialist even a little. He won't run again.
@futurebird okay,and if incase he would come back for presidency, would you support him?
It's just assuming
I think we focus on who will be president too much.
I'll support whoever gets in the way of, stops, or ideally takes to court these corrupt men who are looting the government.
But, really I'm trying to find someone who could be a better representative for the little congressional district where I live. That might be more important.
So to answer the question? Yes. But I don't think he'll run, and he wouldn't be my top pick. Not that anyone listens to me.
@futurebird Okay,hopefully you get the desired leader of your choice, the one to lead you to the best destination.
We also have a problem of corrupt leaders in Uganda, and we need change
@futurebird @2003MugishaPhocit
I listen to you.
😉
@Twotired @futurebird thank you so much.
On the other hand,I am the CEO of Green Youth Movement, a community-based initiative that is promoting nutritious feeding of vulnerable families, training young people about sustainable agriculture and environmental conservation.
I am in most cases promoting this work as we are raising funds to purchase a permanent home for our initiative, and establishment of a community garden.
I am reaching out requesting for your support and collaboration with us.
@futurebird (Maybe you should be president.)
OK I need to amend my response. It's technically not legal for Obama or any person to serve a third term. Rules like that matter to me and it's a big reason why I don't think he'll run.
He could make a great case that Republicans have broken so many rules, what is one more? But... that's not a stance that we need right now IMO.
We need powerful men to be forced to follow the few damn rules they have been given IMO.
@futurebird okay,and I hear that you still have democracy over that side.
In our country, the ruling president has ruled for over 40 years but he still needs to have control over our country!
But America, must transform again to be like the way it was before.
I also see the decline over USA 🇺🇸 😢
@futurebird that would be amazing but even democratic socialists couldn’t buy back all the guns so I doubt it
With sane regulations on guns in a generation that issue could be vastly reduced. Guns break, wear out, they don't last forever.
@futurebird if by generation you mean ~80 years then, yes, that seems doable. A new (sane) government would have to deal with a life appointed Supreme Court which would slow down any real gun control, though.
With that said, I too am optimistic about America long term and as a dual citizen (US tax payer for life, lol) I must say https://www.usvotersabroad.org is an exceptionally well executed service 💯 The American people are organized and mobilized and *energized* to fight injustice.
We could term limit the court, or expand it. I think both are great ideas.
@futurebird yes, both are great ideas. Expanding it seems like the best way to achieve short term progress but also seems politically fraught or maybe I’m just not politically minded enough to imagine how Dems could do it.
Oct 31, 2026, 1:51 PM@kumarvibe @futurebird My understanding is that there is no legal impediment to Congress simply appointing more members to the Supreme Court. The constitution doesn't specify the size of the court, and it has varied over the years.
@mansr that’s good because the current Supreme Court would probably block expansion (if it were led by a Dem majority) using every possible tool they have. @futurebird
Expanding the Court has passed its two top obstacles. Both wings of the Democratic Party "centrists" have endorsed it.
Clyburn and H. Clinton have each recently changed their positions and voiced support for expanding the Court to 13
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/6059611-clyburn-proposes-scotus-expansion/
@kevinrns oh, nice. That’s promising. @futurebird
@futurebird perhaps a more relevant question might be "What does this statement, like, say about Mr. Thiel?"
Oct 31, 2026, 11:23 AM@futurebird
Capitalism, exploitation, eco- and genocide?
@futurebird mr. Thiel sees “rich people can do whatever the fuck they want” as foundational and essential to America.
Oct 31, 2026, 4:21 PM@CynAq @futurebird It's an essentially Confederate dream, but it unfortunately is one broadly shared by a plurality of that party, especially the ones who've already made it to the land-/capital-owning class.
Peter Thiel continuing to have wealth and social power, apparently.
Thiel is an asshole CRAPITALIST. He wants to loot as much capital as possible and deliver nothing but crap.
@futurebird ahh. Guy not from America gets to decide what America is. Got it.
@futurebird He's right, in a way: Dem socialists winning would likely mean the end of the US American empire. Instead we'd have just a country where the government works for the people and holds individuals accountable for their actions. Nightmare fuel for Thiel.
@futurebird I have a golden rule, anything Thiel does not like, there is a chance that it is a good thing.
Oct 31, 2026, 4:13 PM@futurebird He gets richer? (spoiler: there are like fifty-five ways someone as wealthy as he already is to continue amassing more without consciously trying)
@futurebird @lisamelton Someone should point out to him and anyone buying into this nonsense that Denmark is just one democratic socialist country and is pretty remarkable as far as social support goes.
General medical costs?
Not a problem.
Job isn’t working out?
Here, have a standardized subsidy to ensure you can pay bills and eat and get by until you find something better.
Probably no small part of the reason that Denmark is often ranked among the happiest countries on the planet.
Changing more to that model would benefit the vast bulk of Americans, instead of the “I’ve got mine, to hell with you, and if you’re poor it’s your own fault” mentality of way too many. Including, I’m sure, Peter Thiel.
"the end of America"
should be
"the end of the free ride for billionaires in America at the expense of everyone else"
