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  • Jul 25, 2026, 7:28 AM

    Glanced at LinkedIn tonight (always a mistake) and saw a post from some asshole I've never heard of quoting some other asshole I've never heard of (and citing him as some industry luminary) saying that the only way to maximize productivity in the new "AI" coding world is *never* reading the code.

    It is kind of mind-blowing to watch the bulk of the software industry just 100% commit to destroying their ability to write and maintain software. These people are fucking insane.

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  • Jul 25, 2026, 8:03 AM

    A friend on bsky suggests that sometimes it's death-worshipping ignorance cults, which I cannot dispute.

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  • Jul 25, 2026, 7:57 AM

    @swetland reminder that between 30 and 70 % of LinkedIn posts are already fully generated by LLM. That is sufficient for cultishness, because they were most likely instructed to generate posts that fit their "social" environment, and the resulting cultification drags down the humans in there, too. The need to belong is strong, and the need to be thought leader, too. I think it's not a healthy assumption that LinkedIn is representative for many real-world people :)
    Parody:
    linkedin.com/feed/update/activ

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  • Jul 25, 2026, 7:56 AM

    @swetland reading code takes time. Time you could be slopping out more code. More code is good, because the point of programming is to make as much code as possible. Like Bill Gates said, measuring programming progress by lines of code is great and cool.

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  • Jul 25, 2026, 9:12 AM

    @swetland Something I noticed as a difference between boys and girls growing up is that the boys had this social ritual of trying to one-up each other on manliness, but often in a way that manifested as a "who can say the most heinous thing" competitions. They didn't make up the idea that saying heinous things was manly, it was handed to them by adults and they rolled with it. And of course, kids like to test boundaries and push envelopes, which was clearly the thing happening.

    Now obviously most or all of these teenagers would be pretty horrified or disturbed if any of their dark/edgy jokes were things they got confronted with IRL. I think one reason most of the girls didn't participate is that rape jokes particularly are close to home for a girl in this kind of society, even if nothing has happened to you personally/yet. They weren't close to home for the boys, usually, so all that mattered was saying something more absurd, callous and tough than the last guy, for the sake of social status and belonging.

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  • Jul 25, 2026, 9:19 AM

    @swetland I've met plenty of men that outgrew that ritual or never participated in it. Hell, one of the nicest men I ever dated made a bit of a point that he was a terrible person at that age, and had to spend his adulthood undoing the ways his dad had shaped him into a spiteful mini-me. Really like him, and if I can get some cross-state travel funds ever, I definitely want to spend more time with him, but that's a tangent.

    The point is the corollary. Some people never grow up, and when they don't, it doesn't always play out in some innocent charming eyeroll kind of way. Some grown men are childish in the worst possible ways: self-centered, entitled, disconnected from reality, posturing to mog the other peacocks. And it's their spirit that dominates a lot of the LLM booster movement, which I think is a self-reinforcing aspect of why the movement skews so far in a male direction. It's not appealing to men in general, but man-children, and whoever can tolerate them running the show.

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  • Jul 25, 2026, 9:23 AM

    @MaddieM4 Feels like this may also connect with the appeal "ai" tools seem to have among people who believe that "the idea" is the hard part and that knowledge, skill, craft, practice, effort, etc are "gatekeeping".

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  • Jul 25, 2026, 9:35 AM

    @swetland Oh for sure. It's that mental image of "being the guy in the corner office on the 100th floor, with his feet up on the desk saying 'damn it's good to be me'" as a vision of professional success.

    To most of us with at least a small streak of artisan to our natures, we know those kinds of execs do exist in real life and are unenviable, useless people. Only some small scraps of that image are aspirational, like pay and maybe the view from up there. But there is a type of guy who doesn't see this as an embarrassing thing to daydream, or the parallel to - for example - the way that Trump can be described so accurately as "a poor person's idea of a rich person." If you yearn to be an underling's idea of an executive, running a team of agents is probably a very satisfying simulation of those middle-management fantasies.

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  • Jul 25, 2026, 10:12 AM

    @peter @swetland

    This is EXACTLY the same as the hype around the "4GL" tools I remember from the '80s. Out of the box they would spin up impressive looking application code for standard design patterns until their output was presented to users in the real world who inevitably wanted this, that or the other slightly different and then you found yourself confronted with obtuse, incomprehensible and mostly inaccessible code to try and maintain.

    Plus ça change

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  • Jul 25, 2026, 10:14 AM

    @rozeboosje @peter Yup. My entire life I've been reading about The Next Big Thing (it changes every few years) that was going to make programmers obsolete. I'm doubtful that they've finally invented one that works.

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  • Jul 25, 2026, 10:21 AM

    @swetland @peter Thank *bleep* I only have to outlast this bullshit for another handful of years at most. I'm trying to time it in such a way that my own retirement comes at the same time as that of the application I'm maintaining 🙂

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  • Jul 25, 2026, 2:12 PM

    @rozeboosje @peter @swetland

    The 4GL tools did have one advantage that has always been taken for granted: they were (modulo bugs and within the bounds of what's possible with electrons and cosmic rays and the rest of physics) basically predictable in predictable ways. They were _limited_ and pretty much any obstacle turned in to a dead end quickly. But they shared, in common with compilers and calculators, a basic determinism and reproducibility.

    Most have accepted that AI tools are not deterministic now, but they've convinced themselves that by layering on more and more complexity, that nondeterminism can be shaped and channeled. And it can, much of the time. But that remainder only ever grows asymptotically smaller, and the mistakes are completely unpredictable in their proportional impact, while becoming more and more deeply buried.

    So when I see people advocating for building elaborate "agentic" toolchains and just letting things go, I think of some enterprising Pompeiian noticing that earthquakes seem to be getting more and more frequent and deciding to sell volcano insurance.

    A repurpose of XKCD#2347/Dependency (https://xkcd.com/2347/). The upper strata of the dependency pile are captioned, "used correctly…", while the load-bearing, non-redundant, smallest support at the bottom is captioned, "if".
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  • Jul 25, 2026, 3:03 PM

    @cora @peter @swetland AI is also deterministic, but it can produce chaotic results and from an end user's perspective chaos and randomness are as good as indistinguishable.

    The problem is the same, though. You let "Claude" loose on your code base and when it inevitably doesn't do what your end users want it to do, neither Claude nor any human can figure out why.

    The code I wrote is far from perfect, but at least 9 out of 10 times when a bug is reported I will know exactly where to find it.

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  • Jul 25, 2026, 3:20 PM

    @rozeboosje @peter @swetland Yeah, "chaotic" is a much better term. Extremely and unpredictably sensitive to initial conditions (which include prompt, model, training data, current state of codebase, etc).

    One thing that also sticks out at me in every discussion is how little acknowledgment is given to the characteristics of errors. Yes, both humans and LLMs make mistakes. But I know myself pretty well, and I know the kinds of mistakes that I make. The longer I work with someone, the better I get to know their idiosyncrasies, and the kinds of mistakes they might make. And the kinds of errors humans add generally tend to fall within a few major areas. And generally, with humans, once an issue is called out and understood and internalized, it's much less likely to happen again.

    This is not my experience with LLMs, and usually it has been the opposite... the longer I work with them, the broader the whack-a-mole surface becomes, and there is always a surprise.

    I suppose that with finite time and with a desire to just get things done, the folks who advocate "just letting it cook" are acknowledging this, and are just letting go of a need for consistency, which, if I'm honest, is something that can be a bit of an affliction for me. I'm sure that once one makes that leap, dons the white robe, and raises their hands to the heavens, it feels like quite a burden being lifted.

    It still feels reckless to me, but on the other hand it's interesting to observe how things fail in practice, not just in theory.

    I still like to read and understand code though.

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  • Jul 25, 2026, 11:37 AM

    @swetland

    Let's be real, if someone is still using LinkedIn in a serious fashion, then you're already selecting pretty hard for those susceptible to cults.

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  • Jul 25, 2026, 1:34 PM

    @swetland The bulk of the software industry never read code. Now they have another opportunity to get rid of the pesky coders who seem to always bring up essential problems with beloved designs.

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