I understand that there are people who think we must pass through the Vulnpocalypse to get to Vulnhallah, a time when all code is written by AI then checked by AI and has no vulns that AI can find, while we sit back and feast. But I don't think we can get there from here.
@evacide uptooted for “Vulnhallah”
😂
@evacide I don’t think that “there” even exists…
@evacide why?
Because to me (a computer scientist, but not a security researcher) it would seem like a likely outcome.
@UlrikNyman The very short version is that the attack surface is nearly infinite while resources are extremely finite.
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Ulrik, think about it this way: LLMs are probabilistic machines. If we write some code with a bunch of memory safety issues and set LLMs against it to find them, resource expenditure approaches infinity as number of memory safety issues approaches zero. If instead, as another commenter suggested, we wrote in memory safe or formally verifiable languages, we expend a greater, but constant, amount of resources up front to start from a position of zero or nearly zero memory safety issues.
@UlrikNyman @evacide simple. Anthropic announced $80billion dollars of losses.
In 6 MONTHS.
Oct 22, 2026, 4:02 PM@evacide I look forward to Vulnhalla, where the CISOs are all busy feasting and the humans can run rampant with hand-crafted exploits.
@evacide I’m hoping it leads to more safe languages, use of formal verification wherever possible, real engineering standards, and liability when software fucks up
@sus This is also what I am hoping for.
Oct 22, 2026, 4:12 PM@evacide We can only get to Vulnhallah by dying and get picked up by the Valkyries, as far as I understand. I'd like to wait a few decades.
Oct 22, 2026, 4:15 PM@silverwizard @evacide Yes. I clearly mistyped.
@m @silverwizard @evacide There cannot possibly be any way to get from Vulnpocalypse to Vulnhalla. To get to Vulnhalla, you'd need to start at Vulnarok.
@datarama @m @silverwizard You have correctly noticed that I am mixing my religious paradigms.
Oct 22, 2026, 5:11 PM@datarama @m @silverwizard @evacide To get to Valhalla, one had to die in battle or some other *honorable* activity. Once there, people entertained themselves every day by dying in battles, just to rise again for the big feast at dinner, eating the big boar Sæhrímnir. Every day the same again, a bit like in "Heaven" by the Talking Heads.
@datarama maybe Ragvulnrok?
@evacide "Return my tokens to me, and I myself will carry you to the gates of Vulnhalla. You will crash eternal, Firefox and Chrome!" -- Immortan Claude
@evacide Vulnarok?
Oct 22, 2026, 5:54 PMCertainly not the feasting. This path leads to ruin.
@evacide follow me and i will send you photos of my rabbits feet *sfw
... maybe, we could have the Humans write some secure code.
@evacide
So AI will write the bugs, AI will find the bugs, and humans will just sit there pretending they understand the code? 😂
@evacide Keep in mind that in Norse paganism, the gods and people in Valhalla LOSE the war with the frost giants at Ragnorak!
Seriously, lets not let the fights against AI dominance, fascism, or climate catastrophe get to the "you can't win, but you still have to fight" level...
@evacide Вы правы
@evacide The ultimate goal is /dev/vulnull, where the only program is a peaceful infinite loop.