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  • Vanu "My private key is 4" ArsonVanuPhantom@zug.network
    Oct 28, 2026, 6:16 PM

    @Natasha_Jay whenever we've hired at vanu.dev, we've simply put out some ads asking for applications of any kind, suggesting the inclusion of a résumé, but actually saying a good cover letter can be enough to get an interview. We then read through emails on a first-come-first-serve basis.

    If automated systems are this fallible, why use them? Humans are great at this!

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  • foolfool@brontosin.space
    Oct 28, 2026, 6:46 PM

    @Natasha_Jay I think that most tech companies (or companies of any kind) are simply bad at hiring.

    Specifically, the usual strategy is to gather as many applicants as possible and then reject them for arbitrary, often spurious reasons until the workload shrinks to a tractable size.

    They can get away with it for two reasons: Permanent cyclical unemployment means that there will be a superabundance of qualified applicants; and the companies take steps to protect themselves from their employees.

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  • foolfool@brontosin.space
    Oct 28, 2026, 6:54 PM

    @Natasha_Jay The company can easily tell how much it costs to hire someone, but they have no good way of measuring the benefits of a better hire over a worse one (either because their internal performance metrics are badly-designed or because the work is structured to minimize the performance differences between employees), so they cut costs in the hiring process - for instance, by giving the work to lower-paid positions that don't understand the qualifications - until errors like this manifest.

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  • foolfool@brontosin.space
    Oct 28, 2026, 6:59 PM

    @Natasha_Jay Analyzing their own hiring process, in particular, is an expense that they are all too willing to cut in favor of cargo-cult imitation of what other, apparently successful companies are doing.

    So the consequences of that process echo far beyond the organizations that are aware that they chose it.

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  • Em & future cats 🇺🇦🐈🏳️‍🌈em_and_future_cats@mastodon.social
    Oct 28, 2026, 6:49 PM

    @Natasha_Jay Yuuuup, my husband has had to deal with this exact nonsense too!!
    And he technically works for this same damn organization as a doctoral student and the people who are in the organization know him and want him! Yet damn HR immediately rejected him and everyone else there is like ??why??
    😒🙄🙃
    So no, I do not like hr 😹

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  • Woozle Hypertwinwoozle@toot.cat
    Oct 28, 2026, 6:50 PM

    @Natasha_Jay I want to know what's going on there with communication between the team doing the hiring and the team writing the filters.

    ...and, like, if many applications are coming in but 100% are being rejected, shouldn't someone have been investigating that immediately... :spiral_eyes:

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  • 718GT4aikidospike@mastodon.online
    Oct 28, 2026, 6:51 PM

    @Natasha_Jay this is the modern hiring and recruitment pipeline. Ignore the person and focus on pointless features of the CV

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  • Mihail Zdravkovmzdravkov@mastodon.green
    Oct 28, 2026, 7:24 PM

    @Natasha_Jay Automating hiring is insulting to potential candidates in my opinion. Hiring never scales faster than company size, so if you are not willing to spend the time to personally check the applications of people that are to be your co-workers, then you simply do not respect them enough for me to want to work for you.

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  • device ⛧device@infosec.exchange
    Oct 28, 2026, 7:37 PM

    @Natasha_Jay I had several jobs where I flagged that the job requirement and the interview is not something I'd pass, and they thought I was a great contributor.

    Since it's on reddit unsure how true is it, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is behind the job market, I hear from companies they can't find anyone and from good devs that nobody hires them. I'm sure it's something like this with some AI sprinkled on top of excluding people for shits and giggles

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  • Paul_IPv6paul_ipv6@infosec.exchange
    Oct 28, 2026, 7:42 PM

    @Natasha_Jay

    back before AI screening but when HR did CV screening based on buzz word bingo, this kind of stupidity is exactly why i asked for copies of all rejected CVs in a 2nd pile. i never failed to find at least a few resumes that never should have been rejected by HR.

    way better for me to waste 30 -60 seconds scanning an unsuitable resume than have some idiot person or program reject solid candidates.

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  • Marquis de Geekmarquisdegeek@ohai.social
    Oct 28, 2026, 7:49 PM

    @Natasha_Jay And not just AI. An internal HR human rejected a candidate because of the slash in Linux/Unix.

    When I asked to see a sample of previous candidates they refused, and started complaining to the CEO that I (a mere CTO) shouldn't be allowed to see any CV, ever.

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  • SonikkuSonic2k@oldbytes.space
    Oct 28, 2026, 7:52 PM

    @Natasha_Jay
    The problem is I've been rejected now from just about everywhere... so I might as well just die... eventually I will be on the street when the money runs out.

    That douchebag can make all the excuses he wants.. he can write about the "punctuation" thing. At the end of the day he is in control of his company.

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  • Log 🪵log@mastodon.sdf.org
    Oct 28, 2026, 8:00 PM

    @Natasha_Jay All available anecdotes suggest that any manager trying to hire someone--that they will actually be able to approve and not want to fire later--absolutely should not rely on HR as their sole source of candidates.

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  • kramakerkramaker@vivaldi.net
    Oct 28, 2026, 8:22 PM

    @Natasha_Jay And this is absolutely only the tiniest little taste of what's coming as not only decisions but increasingly actions are delegated to brittle models.

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  • Mx. Eddie Rsilvermoon82@wandering.shop
    Oct 28, 2026, 8:37 PM

    @Natasha_Jay
    So what I'm reading is that the HR team is grossly negligent and needs to be fired and replaced in their entirety.

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  • Ю ⁂yuliyan@nahe.social
    Oct 28, 2026, 8:59 PM

    @Natasha_Jay Also...not to defend the use of LLMs but this would have probably been detected by an LLM.

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  • Kristopher Johnsonoldmankris@mastodon.xyz
    Oct 28, 2026, 9:20 PM

    @Natasha_Jay Management at my employer is very open about their goal to hire people who are better than the current employees. None of us would be hired now.

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  • Bruce Elrick 🇨🇦virtuous_sloth@cosocial.ca
    Oct 28, 2026, 10:12 PM

    @Natasha_Jay
    I’ve always been under the impression that most of the HR industry was either largely incompetent or functioning in its role as the immune system of the body corporate.

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  • nicknickzoic@aus.social
    Oct 28, 2026, 10:31 PM

    @Natasha_Jay Even worse than back when human recruiters would phone you and say "So you know javascript and postgres, and this job says java and postscript, so that's the same thing right? Also it's a seven hour drive from the city."

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  • Wayne Dixonwaynedixon@mastodon.social
    Oct 28, 2026, 11:05 PM

    @Natasha_Jay @catsalad wow, that really is wild. This is why I think that humans should look at each application, or at bare minimum do what this person did and put up a fake fully qualified applicant and see how what happens.

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  • Mark Whybirdwhybird@aus.social
    Oct 28, 2026, 11:21 PM

    @Natasha_Jay The worst part of this - and who could have predicted such a thing with hiring firms and HR depts - is the arrogance.

    I can understand normies not getting that React and React.js are the same thing while Java and JavaScript are not. That’s fine. The problem is when (a) they claim to be technology hiring experts and don’t know this, and (b) when NOTHING is getting through the filter, they don’t think to check their work.

    The Simpson’s Proncipal Skinner meme: “Is it me who is the problem?” … “No, it must be everyone else.”
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