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  • Jun 27, 2026, 11:36 AM

    @lostgen @mtriclot Here is their response :
    "Hello,

    Mullvad is a political company. We fight for freedom of speech, freedom of information and the right to privacy. These are firmly held values of the founders of Mullvad.

    Mullvad protects the right for people to express things we don't agree with. We protect the right of everyone to access views we don't agree with.

    We also live these values by being tolerant in our daily work. Everyone is welcome to collaborate with Mullvad if they share these narrow core values. As employees, contractors, customers, suppliers, lobbyists, campaign partners or whatever it might be. No matter what their other opinions are and no matter whether the founders or anyone else in Mullvad dislike them. The founders themselves fundamentally disagree on several important issues.

    This is what allows us to advance our common causes. Being in a tolerant and intellectually open environment is also liberating and promotes truth seeking.

    The more people do this, the better a place the world will be.

    It should be obvious that Daniel's private donation to a political party is not part of Mullvad's values or mission, in the same way that someone's opinions on animal rights, taxes or public healthcare policy isn't."

    My response : You say: “Mullvad defends the right of individuals to express opinions with which we disagree. We defend everyone’s right to access viewpoints with which we disagree.”
    This is a purely rhetorical statement that no one (not even you) can agree with. You wouldn’t defend opinions that call for murder, to put it bluntly.
    In my case, I do not agree with giving free rein to fascist opinions. The world does not become a better place because of them, contrary to what you write.
    It’s clearly not possible to get a refund: you have a 14-day cancellation policy (which has expired in my case), and I don’t blame you for that. I shouldn’t have paid for such a long period, especially with a non-decreasing rate, and I’m the only one to blame. I just wanted you to know why I won’t be renewing, and why I’ll be urging everyone to steer clear of Mullvad."

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  • Jun 27, 2026, 1:03 PM

    @Naich @pi_r @lostgen @mtriclot Proton is worse - they frequently misrepresent across a lot of their products and they have snitched on people using their service. And that’s just the bits we know - there’s almost certainly more we don’t know yet

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  • Jun 27, 2026, 9:49 PM

    @froztbyte pointers to claims, please.

    I've dug through some of those rabbit holes a few times earlier. It's mostly been misinterpreted information ending up with false fact claims, often due to Protons incapable public relation team combined with CEO statements adding more confusion than clarity. People teaching public relation management have an unending source of how to not do things when looking at Proton.

    Majority of these false claims comes from users who gave Proton a clear-text recovery address which Proton had to give away as that was the Swiss courts ruling. If these users hadn't been as stupid to enable this recovery address, no information of real value could have been provided. Also, those recovery addresses was typically hotmail or gmail accounts. So guess what happens next when these requests comes from entities in the USA.

    For VPN accounts, there is no logging of traffic. Which has even been confirmed by third party auditors ... protonvpn.com/blog/no-logs-aud

    So yes, Proton has provided limited details due to law enforcement requests coming via Swiss courts. Which generally turns out valuable when the account owner hasn't understood how to protect its account. And if Proton - or Mullvad, or basically any other company in the world - don't adhere to court rulings, those companies won't survive the end of the day.

    But if you're doing a more sane protection of your Proton account, there is generally very little which can leak out from it, even in cases which ends up in a disfavourable court ruling. Protecting your account is in the very end the account owners responsibility.

    @Naich @pi_r @lostgen @mtriclot

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  • Jun 27, 2026, 10:30 PM

    @Naich @jvnknvlgl I gotta ask, having never used a VPN but having very much used tor: what's the point of a vpn? Aren't you just putting your trust in a different private company than your isp?

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  • Jun 29, 2026, 2:50 PM

    @renardboy @Naich @jvnknvlgl

    When the Internet is open and neutral, there is no need for VPNs. Unfortunately, it is increasingly losing both of those qualities. At different rates and in different areas of concern, but the direction is clear and can be seen everywhere.

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  • Jun 28, 2026, 5:28 PM

    @Naich @jvnknvlgl I use Tailscale, it’s mainly a device to device VPN, so that I can log into my Pi from away. They do support exit nodes in other countries, as well as having none of your nodes be an exit point. I’m hoping they’re good guys.

    I use them because @cadey recommended them.

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  • Jun 27, 2026, 4:16 PM

    @pi_r @lostgen @mtriclot That's the exact same response they gave me. Did you copy that from my post or did they really send you the exact same thing? If they're sending duplicate replies, then they must really be getting lots of complaints.

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  • Jun 27, 2026, 4:20 PM

    @jackemled @lostgen @mtriclot

    No, I did not copy that from your message, which I did not read. I am subscribed to Mullvad, I wrote to them, and this is the response I received by email from 'Sanny'.

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  • Jun 27, 2026, 5:49 PM

    @pi_r @lostgen @mtriclot
    Yeah, well, here in America we unfortunately decided that money is speech. So how someone spends their money is protected speech...but it's also public speech that can be severely criticized and used to justify boycotts. As this should do.

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