"You're a commercial user of libcurl who use it for free and you ask a volunteer to fix your problem on his spare time?"
Sometimes I need to say it.
"You're a commercial user of libcurl who use it for free and you ask a volunteer to fix your problem on his spare time?"
Sometimes I need to say it.
@bagder You need to say this early and often! And ask for a PO.
@bagder So true!
@bagder
Feeling entitled (usually without understanding how the system works, or caring about that)...
Does this happen often? (curious)
@swat implied demands or requests are common enough, the more direct "but person X could/should fix this" is rarer but still happens. Like it just did and I replied as I quoted...
@swat @bagder in my own experience, it happens often with projects that get popular among non-tech people. They would even make Github accounts for the sole purpose of creating non-actionable issues that boil down to "your shit doesn't work for me, you gotta fix your shit asap". So if an account doesn't have a profile pic, that's an instant red flag for me, for example.
Though curl must be very different from the kinds of open-source projects I work on :D
@bagder I literally said "I owe you absolutely nothing" a couple times to some people who got too entitled and refused to meaningfully collaborate on fixing their problem with my project.
“patches welcome”
@bagder “I’ll give it a look as soon as the tasks that actually put food on my table are fulfilled. I have this bad habit of needing to eat and pay my bills”.
It’s so sad that people like this never get sarcasm. 😝
@bagder How can we fix this, for good?
@ronnylam I don't know
@bagder Someone I worked with on a (not open-source, but entirely free to play) project would use the phrase "you're welcome to a complete refund" when someone started complaining too much.
@brianthornton @darkling @bagder
I disagree it is the best.
I tend to moderate such requests as an attempt to commit labour abuse. I am absolutely not above schooling people on the nature of work, their business relationship with a project (none) and how wrong it is attempt to force people to work for you.
I take an extremely dim view on negging and other psychological attacks. I have banned people for it in the past after warnings.
@bagder Please remember that libcurl is a free, open-source project maintained by volunteers in their spare time. We do not have a service-level agreement (SLA) with commercial users. If your business relies on this being fixed immediately, you are welcome to submit a Pull Request with a fix, or consider hiring commercial support.
@SuiGeneris3722 They do actually offer commercial support. https://curl.se/support.html
@bagder Who does so is the poorest. Feedback is the most important and loving tool on earth we can provide and then silence.
@bagder embroider that ish :-P
@bagder One of the small, but made-me-feel-good-about-myself moments early in my IT carrier was when I supplied, on company time, a minuscule, almost irrelevant bugfix to a small library about an issue that probably nobody but our project would run into.
@bagder I had to re-read that several times to realize you weren't recounting an AI prompt.
Well, you all chose MIT license. Its the "kick me" sign of licenses. So yeah, they get loads of free labor, and naturally, they want more.
Should have chosen AGPL3. The GNU folks are right. Always have been.
@crankylinuxuser why would that stop anyone from wanting free labor? I would even argue it might be easier to get internal approval to contribute to an MIT licensed project than an AGPL one.
By and large, companies cannot effectively use AGPL3 if they make internal changes or Tivoization attempts.
Even Nvidia figured out how to cannibalize GPL3. But Affero? That's toxic! 😸