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  • VissViss@mastodon.social
    Oct 16, 2026, 8:00 PM

    this is unacceptable

    HA is sending credentials up the line without opt-in, and their head dev refuses to acknowledge that this is a problem.

    this is the ssh xz issue all over again.
    someone is gonna drop code into HA to abuse this mechanism and its going to be a big ugly disaster.

    stop updating home assistant immediately

    Image attached toot
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  • VissViss@mastodon.social
    Oct 16, 2026, 8:35 PM

    hey @theregister @TechCrunch @briankrebs @metacurity

    you all wanna have a look at this?
    home assisstant is doing some incredibly dumb stuff here and its worth getting the word out, because im sure nobody wants to be opted into some plumbing that scans their HA install, finds secrets and just .... sends them places without consent

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  • :rainbowCrow:cR0w@infosec.exchange
    Oct 16, 2026, 8:03 PM

    @Viss I learned a lot about K-anonymity in just a few toots a while back. I think it was from @tychotithonus but I could be mistaken. If it was, I'd be curious about their take on it. I only really understand the basics of crypto in general.

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  • Royce Williamstychotithonus@infosec.exchange
    Oct 16, 2026, 8:12 PM

    @cR0w @Viss

    An essential problem with HIBP "k-anonymity" (not actually what HIBP is doing) is that HIBP also returns the frequency of the submission hits.

    Guess which password this probably was?

    gist.github.com/roycewilliams/

    Answer:

    gist.github.com/roycewilliams/

    Mitigation is for the password to be long and truly random (so it will always fall to the bottom of any such frequency-sorted list). But a naive human-generated password is a sitting duck.

    Previous coverage here:
    infosec.exchange/@tychotithonu

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  • j_anglissj_angliss@fosstodon.org
    Oct 16, 2026, 8:08 PM

    @Viss the number of folks that blindly install HACS stuff just compounds that. It'll be so easy to sneak in some add-in to abuse.

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  • Hey Guselebertus@eigenmagic.net
    Oct 16, 2026, 8:08 PM

    @Viss that dude really didn't loke getting called out. I mean nobody does.

    You also weren't a dick or sensational about the original issue. On top of that asking for this to be a toggle is not absurd or even strange. This effectively has _nothing_ to do with ha (using hibp) and even seems out of place imo.

    What a silly thing for a person to throw their hands up in the air and walk away from.

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  • Cassanderdrsbaitso@infosec.exchange
    Oct 16, 2026, 8:24 PM

    @Viss Yeah, this is some grade-A bullshit.

    The actual tech is theoretically fine (assuming it’s implemented correctly, which is a biiiiig “if”) but not making it opt-in from the start is some facebook-level assholery.

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  • Hannu Khannukle@infosec.exchange
    Oct 16, 2026, 8:25 PM

    @Viss Based on the response it's not sending credentials over the line. Just some first bytes of hash so that the caller gets a relatively small list of possible breached passwords back to check if the locally used password was any of those. If it was it's time to rotate. If it wasn't there is no harm done.

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  • VissViss@mastodon.social
    Oct 16, 2026, 8:29 PM

    @hannukle cool so i can just go add a one liner in github to send shit to a server i own, right?

    no harm done

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  • Hannu Khannukle@infosec.exchange
    Oct 16, 2026, 8:40 PM

    @Viss Maybe I misunderstood something. I thought HA was using HIBP to identify breached passwords. What does Github has to do with this?

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  • VissViss@mastodon.social
    Oct 16, 2026, 8:42 PM

    @hannukle

    heres the super short version:
    - anything that scans secrets and sends them off the system NEEDS TO BE AN OPT IN SYSTEM.
    - grabbing secrets off a system and sending them elsewhere without consent is tantamount to infostealer behavior / malware behavior
    - putting this system into production and sending it to EVERY HA INSTALL IN THE WORLD is similar to the solarwinds breach
    - now every HA install in the world has plumbing inside of it that can be trivially abused.

    it is NOT OK

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  • VissViss@mastodon.social
    Oct 16, 2026, 8:43 PM

    @hannukle

    *ANY SCENARIO* where a system is ACTIVELY SCANNING FOR CREDENTIALS needs to be an opt-in system

    EXPRESSLY because it can be abused

    look at the solarwinds breach
    look at the ssh xz backdoor

    this is security 101

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  • Hannu Khannukle@infosec.exchange
    Oct 16, 2026, 8:50 PM

    @Viss I have to disagree here though I don't know the details how HA has implemented this. I think it's best practice for internet-facing services to try identifying bad passwords and HIBP is probably the best way to do it. Implementation doesn't send secrets over the wire. If implemented correctly password isn't available for checking other than user logging in or user changing password. Then password is inputted in plain text and it's pretty trivial to check this with HIBP using k-anonymity. Also NIST 800-63B requires identifying bad passwords indicating it's good practice to prevent using such passwords.

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  • VissViss@mastodon.social
    Oct 16, 2026, 9:44 PM

    @cR0w well, the very last one is. the others are other stuff that ive added manually.

    but no, fuck troy.
    troy doesnt get my shit
    i dont like him, he's shady.

    did you know he tried to sell HIBP?
    he created a system that collects other peoples creds as a line of business and then he tried to sell it?

    he tried to sell a giant mountain of other peoples creds.

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  • :rainbowCrow:cR0w@infosec.exchange
    Oct 16, 2026, 9:46 PM

    @Viss No but I had someone tell me he bitched about me on his podcast for saying the word "fuck" on here. So I blocked him.

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  • :rainbowCrow:cR0w@infosec.exchange
    Oct 16, 2026, 9:58 PM

    @catsalad @ryanc @Viss You gotta put your whole chest into it.

    clears throat

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  • zl2todzl2tod@mastodon.online
    Oct 16, 2026, 10:03 PM

    @Viss

    I always baulked at HIBP asking for email addresses to check them.

    Spidey senses working.

    Very Microsoft vibe.

    Expecting to find some religious fundamentalist angle.

    @cR0w

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  • ninkosanninkosan@mas.to
    Oct 16, 2026, 11:42 PM

    @Viss does HA actually respect assigned dns servers these days?

    It always used to treat NXDOMAIN as a failure and fall back to hardcoded cloudflare servers, so that might not even stop it.

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  • j_anglissj_angliss@fosstodon.org
    Oct 16, 2026, 8:04 PM

    @Viss @homeassistant ouch!

    If, and that's a big *if* I wanted HA sending my secrets somewhere (yes I know they're using k-anon), I would want to control that. This should absolutely be an OPT-IN feature.

    I know password managers have the same functionality, but that's their job, managing passwords, and they all have a handy toggle option that turns that feature off if I want.

    When did this feature sneak in?

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  • João Tiago Rebelo (NAFO J-121)jt_rebelo@ciberlandia.pt
    Oct 16, 2026, 8:08 PM

    @Viss as a mere layman, I understand the difference between @homeassistant and 1Password, how can the developer not understand?
    Can the HA team, at least, explain when did this behaviour started "happening" by default? Thank you both in advance.

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  • gunstickgunstick@mastodon.opencloud.lu
    Oct 16, 2026, 9:05 PM

    @troed @Viss @homeassistant @frenck
    It is not sending credentials.
    It is sending the first 5 characters of the hash.
    How can this lead to compromise of credentials?
    All that said I support that this feature should be configurable.
    Be it with setting hibp IP to localhost on the HA server.

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