If you have values, you can be against genocide.
This means being AGAINST the Nazi genocide of the Jewish people, as well as being AGAINST the Zionist genocide of the Palestinian people.
However, if you are AGAINST the Nazi genocide of the Jewish people, while also being FOR the Zionist genocide of the Palestinians, you do not have values.
All you have is hypocrisy.
absolutely. Netanyahu has been trying to kill off the Palestinian people for a very long time. They don't have anywhere to go! Why can't the Israelis work with them? The Palestinians aren't trying to kill the Jews there, are they? trump's loyalty to Bibi can't only be because trump wanted to put up hotels along the water for vacationers in the future. I still think Bibi has a set of the Epstein files holding over trump's head.
@randahl Totally agree. The comparison is the essential issue at stake. We have been told for so long about the Nazi holocaust against the Jewish people in Europe. And quite rightly so. But we are pilloried and charged as being anti-Semitic if we dare to criticise the genocide being carried out in Gaza and the West Bank. Genocide is genocide - whether carried out German Nazis or Israeli Nazis. It is appalling.
@Vallerry @randahl All too often criticising Israel is regarded as being anti- Semitic- even though, as you say, it is the state and its leaders who are being criticised. A good example is the sentencing of Palestinian Action protesters in Gaza and anti Israel protesters in the US. They were not anti-Semitic but rather criticising Israeli actions in Gaza and the West Bank.
The Holocaust is genocide. that is no wonder as the UN definition of genocide was made because of the holocaust.
https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition
It is a legitimate question to ask, if some of the actions of the Netajahu government constitute one or more of the crimes "war crimes", "crimes against humanity", "ethnic cleansing" or "genocide".
and the answer is, that there is no way to see the holocaust and the actions of the Netanjahu government on the same level.
The Nazis specifically burned down synagogues, with firefighters making sure, that no other house was damaged. the burned jewish books, they sold jewish art in switzerland, they sold jewish gold in switzerland, they used gas in concentration camps for mass murder.
The Netanjahu regime does not burn down mosques, while watching over near houses. they don't raid houses to confiscate books. they dont steal palestinian art and dont sell it in switzerland or the emirates. they dont steal gold. they do not gas people.
they lead war against Hamas, an organization as evil as the nazis.
Hamas is commiting genocide. for decades and most visible in october 2023. Hamas has not stopped and may never stop.
@Life_is @randahl
This, of course, utter nonsense.
The zionists don’t have to go to the trouble of protecting non Palestinians in Gaza since the whole territory is a prison.
In the West Bank their death squads operate with impunity.
In the neighbouring countries where Palestinians were displaced to during the Nabka there are none of the chosen people, Zionism has made sure of that. Those countries can and should be destroyed to keep Israel safe.
@Life_is @randahl I agree that there is a difference between the degree of destruction between the sho’a and the current genocide Israel is committing.
But they are both genocides. And there is no need for quotes, or to ask questions.
Yes, Hamas is terrible. No, it does not excuse or even begin to explain the actions of the IdF.
Israel has killed 40x more people in retaliation. That’s no longer retaliation. That’s genocide. Again. And again.
Jun 23, 2026, 6:26 AM@Life_is @randahl That's some amazing mental gymnastics you're doing there. The question you pose yourself is "is what Israel is doing a genocide?", and then compare the actions of Israel not to the definition of genocide, but to very specific actions taken during the Holocaust.
Is what Israel doing equivalent to the Holocaust? No. Is it genocide? It absolutely is. "Never again" should be never again to any people, not "never again to the Jews, but any other people is fine I guess, as long as it's not a 1-to-1 match to the Holocaust".
Jun 23, 2026, 6:29 AMi like how you abandon your argument and pivot to criticizing hamas. weak
of course hamas is evil genocidal shit, and we condemn hamas as well, obviously
just like we do likud
for the same simple moral reasoning
they are genocidal forces
stop waving your hands and changing the topic and think you're doing anything but showing your weak posturing and weak denial of the fucking obvious
Jun 23, 2026, 6:47 AM@Life_is
> The Nazis specifically burned down synagogues, with firefighters making sure, that no other house was damaged.
Yes, bombing Palestinian areas indiscriminately because they are only Palestinian is much better. It's a different situation, where the populations are not as intertwined as they were in Germany. It doesn't have to be completely identical for it to be genocide.
> they sold jewish art in switzerland
Ah yes, if they are poor it's not genocide.
> they used gas in concentration camps for mass murder.
They bomb refugee camps, but they don't use gas, so surely this cannot be genocide...
> they don't raid houses to confiscate books
They annihilate entire cities to displace people. That's hardly better.
> they dont steal palestinian art [..] they dont steal gold
They do steal Palestinian olive crops. Does it have to be gold for it to be genocide?
> they lead war against Hamas
According to Israel everything they dislike is Hamas, so I don't buy that.
Jun 23, 2026, 9:17 AMso @Life_is your definition of genocide seems to be:
”The Nazis specifically burned down synagogues, with firefighters making sure, that no other house was damaged. the burned jewish books, they sold jewish art in switzerland, they sold jewish gold in switzerland, they used gas in concentration camps for mass murder.”
And you say israel is not doing this so the things they do in Gaza is not genocide.
Then later you write:
”Hamas is commiting genocide. for decades and most visible in october 2023. ”
So could you provide evidence of hamas doing the things you listed earlier? Especially the parts about stealing art and gold and taking it to switzerland, and the use gas at concentration camps for mass murder.
Note: this is not a pro-hamas take. I am, like others seem to be, just unclear on your definition of genocide based on what you wrote.
Jun 23, 2026, 11:42 AM
@Life_is It's also a straw man fallacy.
I've not heard of anybody reasonable being FOR any genocide. Cheap take...
Ich lege noch kurz nach. In der verlinkten UN definition ist das entscheidende Wort intent. Die Hamas intendiert die Auslöschung von ganz Israel. Israel will keineswegs die 2 millionen Palästinenser im Gaza töten und schon lange nicht die palästinenser, die seit drei jahren permanent durch deutsche straßen demonstrieren.
Die Hamas begeht nicht nur Genozid, sie wurde gegründet als Genozidale Horde.
Und was viele sicher nicht gern hören. Für die Hamas ist Israel nur der erste Schritt. Der nächste sind Muslime. Dann alle, die nicht der Nonsens-Definition von Islam der Hamas folgen.
Ach ja. Wenn die Hamas "Widerstand" wäre, hätte sie in den letzten 20+ jahren von den arabischen bruderstaaten so viel finanzielle unterstützung bekommen, dass es längst kein Israel mehr gäbe.
Niemand hat soviel Angst vor der Hamas, wie die arabische Welt. Und zwar zurecht.
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@joel_falcou
"If you speak up against Israelian war crimes, but not against Palestinian war crimes, what do you have?" 🙃
I'm also sorry for your bad behaviour. Must be a pity living your live. *blocking noise*
@benroyce@mastodon.social @randahl
The only genocide I'm in favor of is the genocide of genocide.
If you have values indeed. And it seems the state of Israel has lost them fully…
@randahl
That is the sad thing Zionists and Antisemites are working with today.
If you are against one of the genocides, the other party calls you a fascist.
With a good moral compass and empathy, noone can mislead you.
@randahl omg I can’t believe how anti semitic you’re being! /s