Oct 20, 2026, 4:35 AMWhat about the reports that a hidden synagogue (ie a synagogue that was temporary with no outside markings) was ransacked?
- Oct 20, 2026, 4:35 AM
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Julian OliverJulianOliver@mastodon.socialOct 20, 2026, 4:37 AM@serge No idea, unsure of your point. But I doubt it was the will of tens of thousands of kids, that have been very clear as to why they are protesting.
- Oct 20, 2026, 5:09 AM
My point is that saying "The source is biased" is not sufficient to dismiss its claims. Media bias is everpresent- and I can give you hundreds of examples of that on a variety of topics.
I was born in Paris and am fully aware of how "intense" French protests can be. But dismissing the concern because the reporter is right wing is to ignore the suffering of innocent people.
Also... a destruction of a place of worship should be sufficient for it to be condemned. There doesn't need to be any other "point".
Oct 20, 2026, 5:29 AM@serge @JulianOliver in Paris Sunday, in the marais one store and only ransacked. It was not the demonstrators it was regular thief hiding behind them with the police occupied.
- Oct 20, 2026, 6:01 AM
That may be the case. The synagogue was in the 19th.
- Oct 20, 2026, 6:36 AM
@serge so it is linked to the demonstration because some people are taking the opportunity but its ibdirect and perhaps the police force are not used properly when there are demonstration... Their militarization when most of them are not formed properly at least and concentrate them at one place is clearly not the best tactic.
- Julian OliverJulianOliver@mastodon.socialOct 20, 2026, 5:32 AM
@serge I do not read anyone dismissing the awful thing of a synagogue being ransacked. I stated property is indeed being trashed, by some looters.
TBC my post (& concern) pertains to the extreme police violence, against brown kids esp, in light of the rising racism in France, something also close to home given my French extended family whom are of non-white heritage, a racism playing out in coverage of the protests as they work ceaselessly to make brown people 'the problem'.
It's about them.
Lien Raglienrag@mastodon.tedomum.netOct 20, 2026, 4:09 PMThere are a lot of false reports being made by the right-wing press, including some made by AI (like the images of a old couple being stripped naked).
No idea if this "hidden synagogue ransack" is part of them (I did not see this information on respectable news).- Oct 20, 2026, 4:25 PM
"A French Jew is complaining that Jewish institutions are being attacked?! It's probably a right wing lie..."
BeldarakBeldarak@mastodon.gamedev.placeOct 20, 2026, 5:59 AM@serge @JulianOliver
The french media will only show you those : ransacks, burning dumpster etc...It's not that it isn't happening or not something to condemn, but they chose to show that all day long ignoring the 99% of peaceful protesters and why they protest, which hurt the movement as a whole.
Some ransacking is often proved (after the facts) to be done by bad actors to discredit the protest.
There is a whole political side to this
- Oct 20, 2026, 6:03 AM
I think that more than most people on the Fediverse, I am more-than-aware of how the media can amplify and distort a situation for political gain. That's a lesson that I wish @JulianOliver would take seriously.
Julien Colombjcolomb@nerdculture.deOct 20, 2026, 7:56 AM@Beldarak @serge @JulianOliver
What I hear is that it seems a whole bunch of violent acts are done by policemen 'trying to infiltrate the movement'.
French police (as a system, not as individual people) is notoriously racist and antisemitic.
16 years old student, backed by the large majority of the french population, not.
Oct 20, 2026, 8:52 AM@jcolomb @Beldarak @serge @JulianOliver french police is repressive, always has been. the CRS are the worst corp of all, they always abused of their powers and are not the smartest tool in the shed, most likely the bluntest.
PSoul•US 🏳️🌈psoul@sfba.socialOct 20, 2026, 6:08 AM@JulianOliver your argument reminds me of the clip of Abdul El Sayed going viral at the moment
- BeldarakBeldarak@mastodon.gamedev.placeOct 20, 2026, 8:23 AM
I've given it more thought and I don't agree, at all.
Let's say I take the Matrix movie. I make a cut of it where you only see Neo breaking a flower pot, pushing some homeless guy under a metro and shooting a building from a helicopter...
Don't you think that my intention, showing Neo causing mayhem, renders everything I say about that movie completely false, even though I used actual scenes from the film?
- BeldarakBeldarak@mastodon.gamedev.placeOct 20, 2026, 8:26 AM
Context is everything, and when Bolloré (the billionaire controlling most french TV media) decide to only show you the violence and nothing else, it's a whole new "movie".
So yes, it does dismiss everything they show or say.
- Oct 20, 2026, 1:02 PM
You believe that whoever is the "other" has nothing at all to say, on any topic.
I've seen where this leads, and it's a very dark place, one that I and others I care about suffer with every single day.
- BeldarakBeldarak@mastodon.gamedev.placeOct 20, 2026, 6:28 PM
Depends on what others. I can hear people with a different opinion than mine.
Not billionaire and/or fascists though, especially when they're trying to spread hate between people to maintain their crazy privileges
RiaResists❌ 👑RiaResists@mastodon.socialOct 20, 2026, 6:06 AM@serge@babka.social @JulianOliver Blocked this guy.
Surprised he doesn’t seem like a troll….
Motépetitmote@toot.aquilenet.frOct 20, 2026, 6:50 AM@serge @JulianOliver I haven't seen any news about this, could you share one please?
- Oct 20, 2026, 7:00 AM
You won't find much about anti Jewish destrction in most news outlets. You have to look largely at either Jewish news outlets or occasionally what you will see in the US and Canada are right wing outlets will cover them if they feel the one doing it is left wing, which is increasingly the case. If the attacker was right wing, then the left wing media may cover it, though not always.
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-912093
https://forward.com/fast-forward/856778/synagogue-and-jewish-owned-shops-damaged-in-french-riots/
What makes the attack on the Ohalei Yaakov synagogue stand out for me is that it's not a normal synagogue where you can know what it is. That means someone knew it was there and targeted it.
- Motépetitmote@toot.aquilenet.frOct 20, 2026, 9:26 AM
@serge as your articles said, tgere is no evidence that they were targeted attacks. As sad as it is, this is most probably random. I've checked french jewish NGOs, RAAR and Crif, and they haven't said anything about saturday at the moment.
(Also, we don't even know if it was linked to satyrday's protests or a night thief)
Jay Peachjaypeach53@mastodon.socialOct 20, 2026, 12:42 PM@serge@babka.social @JulianOliver @petitmote typical Zionist apologist @serg. Insinuating antisemitism based on likely “reporting” from proZionist news sources and innuendo. Also typical of people claiming to be victims when they’re the instigators.
- Jay Peachjaypeach53@mastodon.socialOct 20, 2026, 12:42 PM
@serge@babka.social @petitmote @JulianOliver And before you call me an antisemite, I’m an anti-Yahwehist. Religious extremism especially from fundamentalists is an anti-religious text. And I’m an agnostic atheist. Which holds the Torah, Koran, and Bible are fairy tales designed to subject the masses totally to subservience. If anything is close to the truth, see the Gnostic texts. Yahweh is a fraud and usurper.