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  • DanCrescentWolfdancrescentwolf@pounced-on.me
    Nov 5, 2026, 10:32 AM

    How is it, that AI slop is still very much accepted within the furry community?
    And no, I'm not talking about that one weird friend of yours, generated slop for funsies. I'm talking about big artists, with way more followers than I have, generating slop for money.
    And noone cares? What's wrong guys?

    Like I'm sitting here, quite literally working my fucking ass off just so I can *maybe* pay my bills and *maybe* even groceries - and then there's asses like these, pressing a button and earn thousands with that crap? How's that even fair?

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  • DanCrescentWolfdancrescentwolf@pounced-on.me
    Nov 5, 2026, 10:44 AM

    I also think it's sad how normalised vibe coding is nowadays.
    I'm by no means a programmer or anything, but at least I tried several times, so I do know how hard it is to learn and execute properly.

    How can you judge someone who's generating a slop picture but the very next day you go on and generate a website?

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  • Luzifer van RattusLuziferVanRattus@pounced-on.me
    Nov 5, 2026, 10:36 AM

    @dancrescentwolf because in my opinion, sadly people see often art as consumer product. What, in a really dry view it is in the scene.
    What often is not seen what goes into the art, to make it art, to make it something special. This is hidden from the commissioner. He gets some wipes and communication, bit bit the emotions we have during the creation. He sees pictures, he pays, he wants picture. The faster the better.

    This is my opinion and flawed as hell, but my only explanation that keeps me sain

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  • Luzifer van RattusLuziferVanRattus@pounced-on.me
    Nov 5, 2026, 10:46 AM

    @dancrescentwolf to add to that because my brain is Fragmented like a Seagate 50gb.

    Indonnit say the customer is wrong, but you get what you pay for. And here is wher I agree wholeheartedly with your unfairness.

    I lay you, I get YOU
    emotion, thought and method and experience condensed into your art. It's unique and you flavored.
    And that's why I want something from you.

    And here I blame the modern consumer lointif view, even if it's in its baseline a valid want of instant gratification.

    I want art. I want it now. And I want it for free (or dirt-cheap)what I do not understand is thi, how i would want to PAY for someone, who enters words onto a machine and it does things. Everyone capable of forming coherent sentences can do that, and here is where my mind breaks. That's the ultimate brick wall my mind runs into. Of you pay for AI art you perfectly could have achieved yourself, why not pay for art you could not create yourself?

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  • DanCrescentWolfdancrescentwolf@pounced-on.me
    Nov 5, 2026, 10:51 AM

    @LuziferVanRattus yeah that's also going through my mind.

    so either these people (the one paying) don't fucking care, are way too lazy or they are just literally stupid.

    most of the 'artists' using slop for their art, don't say so, so maybe peopel don't recognize it as such?
    but how can you not tell when they drew a stick figure the other week but suddenly their anatomy is perfect?

    I only know of 1 'artist' who is open about their AI usage honestly
    The others I'm referring to aren't referencing it but it's so obvious it's mindboggling to me how others (especially the commissioners) can't see that

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  • Luzifer van RattusLuziferVanRattus@pounced-on.me
    Nov 5, 2026, 10:58 AM

    @dancrescentwolf yes, this is kind of a breaking point for me to.

    Use of AI tools obfuscation.

    I, to a certain degree can understand the argument AI is a tool(it is) but, and here comes my thoughts and values.

    A tool that takes decisions from me to the tool, makes the Produkt Not mine, or entirely mine. Especially as GenAi is at the end a statistical approximation of a grafik that the tool thinks is wanted.
    So I get a common accepted piece of data that one claimed to have made himself. I cannot and do not support that thought, as I put it equal to Akkademic dishonesty.
    Of one uses AI in its art, and labels it. Fine, nothing I can do about it but being annoyed. Sadly -_-
    But obfuscate this and lrope believe it's genuine man made? Uhhh... A lot of thoughts, non of em pleasant.

    TL;Dr: why do they pay for shit that's made by boring, common smallest denomination of "style" pressed into 16 promtvomits. I hate AI art sellers ..

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  • Luzifer van RattusLuziferVanRattus@pounced-on.me
    Nov 5, 2026, 11:18 AM

    @dancrescentwolf I like to stay more... Moderate. But often I encounter that I make a silut Statements, that needs explanation or differentiation to see where my angle for the more brutal statement comes from. And then... My thoughts split and I go on like a bad multi thread ..

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  • Tenkomantenkoman@sueden.social
    Nov 5, 2026, 10:36 AM

    @dancrescentwolf Some new furs only see the prices for the big ones like Miles and feel like only with a sona they can be part of the fandom and use AI to get one. That small budget artist exists which can make a fair ref sheet for about 50 is often dug deep in the algorithm and some want only the high glossy style pro artists do (which AI uses for their training) - it’s saddening. I always try to find small artist to help them grow a bit.

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  • DanCrescentWolfdancrescentwolf@pounced-on.me
    Nov 5, 2026, 10:40 AM

    @tenkoman this very much falls under the 'that one weird friend of yours creating slop for funsies' category

    I still judge them for doing that, but besides the general 'they used AI which is pretty bad for the planet and economy etc' part, they're at least not 'hurting' anyone with that. (If this even makes sense)

    I'm talking about assholes generated slop - usually parts of a piece, like the background - and then literally sell it like that. Or they use enhancement magic to speed up their workflow 20x

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  • Tenkomantenkoman@sueden.social
    Nov 5, 2026, 10:43 AM

    @dancrescentwolf Ok, that is bad indeed - and yeah I read about the slop sellers at Austrian cons - a shame that they stole the chance from real artists to present real craftsmanship.

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  • Tenkomantenkoman@sueden.social
    Nov 5, 2026, 10:46 AM

    @dancrescentwolf Vibe coding is a result of an education and work mentality in which only the results matter and not the path and reviewability

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  • ⊨entailment@woof.tech
    Nov 5, 2026, 10:50 AM

    @dancrescentwolf

    > How can you judge someone who's generating a slop picture but the very next day you go on and generate a website?

    i think this is because many treat code as a disposable commodity - and a result of labour that you are alienated from - more easily than they do visual art

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  • however.and@thicc.horse
    Nov 5, 2026, 10:58 AM

    @dancrescentwolf Fandoms are a worship of consumption. Furries especially so imo. The whole culture is built on spending at this point. Spending to go to cons, to have a suit, to have a gallery of art. Being able to have art is part of your social status in the fandom.

    It's so much of an expectation people will be confused if you haven't gone to a con and don't understand con lingo.

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  • however.and@thicc.horse
    Nov 5, 2026, 11:00 AM

    @dancrescentwolf Also, as one other has said: code isn't viewed as an art, but a thing in you way. Its shocking how nobody but a shockingly small sect of programmers care about the art of it. LLMs have unmasked everyone's belief on AI.

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  • DanCrescentWolfdancrescentwolf@pounced-on.me
    Nov 5, 2026, 11:07 AM

    @and yeah it's so sad really - to me programming is very much equal to art.

    it's weird tough - if you ask someone if they'd say a random video is art, they'd probably say yes.
    but they'd never spend a thought about how the thing was even made (not talking about being generated now)
    but even the most simplistic video game involves some kind of code

    idk just some thoughts I had lel
    I don't even know if this makes sense XD

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  • CraftedCartCraftedCart@furry.engineer
    Nov 5, 2026, 11:26 AM

    @dancrescentwolf @and Doing programming for most of my life, it's hard for me to kinda.. not see it as art myself. It sure hurts seeing so many people around me and people I used to respect in this craft just.. throw it away >.<

    Doubly so in game dev - like we're all making a creative work here???

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  • however.and@thicc.horse
    Nov 5, 2026, 11:33 AM

    @CraftedCart @dancrescentwolf Having hang with game deva and made the mistake of talking about Code as Art and exploring what you can do in Lua. You will get yelled at and mocked by the Code as Utility crowd.

    Game devs are kinda the worst cause code is either "in the way" or they only care about the technical cloat of solving hard problems. The LÖVE discord can be exhausting cause people seem to hate the language.

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  • DanCrescentWolfdancrescentwolf@pounced-on.me
    Nov 5, 2026, 11:37 AM

    @and sadly I kinda don't understand anything you just said XDD
    (I'm sadly not deep enough in this field but I love to learn!!)

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  • NeothetaNeotheta@finfur.net
    Nov 5, 2026, 11:47 AM

    @dancrescentwolf

    Human brains are really good at belittling things they consider less valuable or don't know the effort. And also good at making moral excuses if it makes something easier for them. That's why we have made up some rules in a society because otherwise most ppl would be stealing out of convenience, esp when they can't see direct & immediate damage to someone (otherwise empathy would stop them).

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  • Vincent SparksAVincentInSpace@furry.engineer
    Nov 5, 2026, 8:40 PM

    @dancrescentwolf oh, well, programming is different. programming isn't art. programming doesn't require creativity. an artist might make a million different tiny decisions over the course of making an art piece, but there are only so many different ways to write a for loop (actual argument i heard once). so of course AI is just as good at it as a human.

    (i have been a programmer for two-thirds of my life, and i am here to tell you that not a single one of those statements is true. it's just yet another EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL attempt by the business majors to get the humanities majors and the STEM majors to fight each other)

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  • Fennek 🦊🐾fennek@bark.lgbt
    Nov 5, 2026, 11:20 AM

    @dancrescentwolf I feel your frustration so much and its shit when you dont have other options.

    We are always underpaid and dont even get minimum wage with all the time we put in and I dont get why on AI everything is ok while as Artist you have to see that every detail is right to dont get complains.

    I hate this too and whish gen AI a fast death while I am sitting here freezing because I dont earn enough and have no chance with my disabilities on the job market to get a "normal" job.
    In spain is a really high jobless rate too.

    But its really not fair that we real Artist have to go while the thieves get everything :blobfoxannoyed:

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  • JennyFluff :heart_trans: 💾JennyFluff@chitter.xyz
    Nov 5, 2026, 12:09 PM

    @dancrescentwolf I am just back from a furry con and I have seen the opposite. Everyone hated AI. All the creative people I have interacted with.

    The slop I've seen? Hotel had slopped canvases on the walls. Lots of canvases were put down the walls by the guests.

    I think it's not an accepted thing at the base. But it doesn't stop hurting if someone goes all automated plagiarism machine

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  • Keeyakeeya@icy.arcticfluff.eu
    Nov 5, 2026, 3:36 PM

    @dancrescentwolf I don't get it either. Artists using that should be shunned, ignored, shamed. It destroys our craft, our world, everything. It's like the core problem of it all over again. It profits a handful, the rest gets screwed by it.

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