I also think it's sad how normalised vibe coding is nowadays.
I'm by no means a programmer or anything, but at least I tried several times, so I do know how hard it is to learn and execute properly.
How can you judge someone who's generating a slop picture but the very next day you go on and generate a website?
@dancrescentwolf Vibe coding is a result of an education and work mentality in which only the results matter and not the path and reviewability
Nov 5, 2026, 10:50 AM> How can you judge someone who's generating a slop picture but the very next day you go on and generate a website?
i think this is because many treat code as a disposable commodity - and a result of labour that you are alienated from - more easily than they do visual art
Nov 5, 2026, 10:58 AM@dancrescentwolf Fandoms are a worship of consumption. Furries especially so imo. The whole culture is built on spending at this point. Spending to go to cons, to have a suit, to have a gallery of art. Being able to have art is part of your social status in the fandom.
It's so much of an expectation people will be confused if you haven't gone to a con and don't understand con lingo.
Nov 5, 2026, 10:58 AM@dancrescentwolf Also, being a black furry, I don't hold water for this fandom.
Nov 5, 2026, 11:00 AM@dancrescentwolf Also, as one other has said: code isn't viewed as an art, but a thing in you way. Its shocking how nobody but a shockingly small sect of programmers care about the art of it. LLMs have unmasked everyone's belief on AI.
@and yeah it's so sad really - to me programming is very much equal to art.
it's weird tough - if you ask someone if they'd say a random video is art, they'd probably say yes.
but they'd never spend a thought about how the thing was even made (not talking about being generated now)
but even the most simplistic video game involves some kind of code
idk just some thoughts I had lel
I don't even know if this makes sense XD
@dancrescentwolf @and Doing programming for most of my life, it's hard for me to kinda.. not see it as art myself. It sure hurts seeing so many people around me and people I used to respect in this craft just.. throw it away >.<
Doubly so in game dev - like we're all making a creative work here???
Nov 5, 2026, 11:33 AM@CraftedCart @dancrescentwolf Having hang with game deva and made the mistake of talking about Code as Art and exploring what you can do in Lua. You will get yelled at and mocked by the Code as Utility crowd.
Game devs are kinda the worst cause code is either "in the way" or they only care about the technical cloat of solving hard problems. The LÖVE discord can be exhausting cause people seem to hate the language.
@and sadly I kinda don't understand anything you just said XDD
(I'm sadly not deep enough in this field but I love to learn!!)
@and@thicc.horse @dancrescentwolf@pounced-on.me :bugcat_nod:
this is kinda what annoys me about how there seems to be a implied expectation in some places that to be a true furry you must go to cons and own a fursuit, its kinda just infurating
Human brains are really good at belittling things they consider less valuable or don't know the effort. And also good at making moral excuses if it makes something easier for them. That's why we have made up some rules in a society because otherwise most ppl would be stealing out of convenience, esp when they can't see direct & immediate damage to someone (otherwise empathy would stop them).
@Neotheta well good point :'D
@dancrescentwolf oh, well, programming is different. programming isn't art. programming doesn't require creativity. an artist might make a million different tiny decisions over the course of making an art piece, but there are only so many different ways to write a for loop (actual argument i heard once). so of course AI is just as good at it as a human.
(i have been a programmer for two-thirds of my life, and i am here to tell you that not a single one of those statements is true. it's just yet another EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL attempt by the business majors to get the humanities majors and the STEM majors to fight each other)
@AVincentInSpace oh god you almost got me with that