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  • Sep 22, 2026, 5:35 PM

    I think it is sooo frustrating when I show my less techy friends the Hackspace and they are like „Yeah that’s really cool but I could never learn that“ whyyyyyy??? Whyyy do you not think that??? Do you not feel the thirst of knowledge? The desire to create? The freedom of being able to craft something yourself?
    Weld shitty, design badly, delete operating systems and break endmills! But just do it!!!
    You‘re not dumb if you can’t but when you won’t

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  • Sep 22, 2026, 5:59 PM

    @Matrix11 for a lot of folks the "desire to create" just isn't there.

    typically when folks drop a line like "i'm not smart enough", i tell them it's not a matter of intelligence but stubbornness and the ability to be ok feeling dumb.

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  • Sep 22, 2026, 5:59 PM

    @Matrix11 people think it's more polite to say they can't learn something than to say they're not interested

    they might be right

    but I hate it

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  • Sep 22, 2026, 10:17 PM

    @beeoproblem @Matrix11 come to think of it there's probably an element that they don't want your help, even if they want help generally. it would be rude to tell me to my face that i'd be a terrible teacher

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  • Sep 22, 2026, 8:11 PM

    @Matrix11
    IME as you get older, the brain starts to care more and more about conserving energy, and learning takes a lot of (chemical) energy. So unless someone already knows that this stuff is fun even if the results are unimpressive, it can feel like work.

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  • Sep 22, 2026, 9:03 PM

    @Matrix11 Sometimes those kinds people aren't worth the time. I've been "friends" with those kinds of people back in high school.

    I tried sharing my passion about computers to them for about 3 years but they never got interested. In the end they betrayed me.

    That was 7 years ago though so I've moved on to do my own things alone.

    It's prolly better to find those who are more open to those kinds of ideas

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  • Sep 22, 2026, 9:36 PM

    @Matrix11 For context on what follows, I'm currently recovering from multiple physical disabilities that have severly limited my ability to socialize. Even though the one thing they haven't limited much is my ability to learn- if not actually physically execute- things..

    As a consequence I'm realizing how vastly I underestimated how much my energy was limited.
    And combined with everyone being over-worked and under compensated. And covid being often ignored, despite among other things causing people brain damage.

    I'm more and more certain many such people legitimatly can neither learn the things they want too, nor are creative, confident, and/or flexible enough to execute them badly.

    I'm also more and more certain that the number of undiagnosed and untreated physical disablities is so drastic that in a few centuries people will look back and realize its on a scale, a percentage of an animals population, maybe never seen in the earths history.

    A third of children - a third- were determined to have long covid in a study in new zealand. And thats just covid.

    How many are determining their symptoms to be a 'personal quirk' or 'overwork' or midiagnosing them? How many have their ability to create and think and love limited by an invisible physical disability?

    Shudder to think of it..

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  • Sep 22, 2026, 10:21 PM

    @Matrix11 Uou know the old saying: Whether you believe you can install Linux or whether you don’t, either way you’re wrong.

    😜 (just teasing)

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  • Sep 23, 2026, 1:43 AM

    @Matrix11 i feel this too when i see people say things like this! but society constantly tells people without prior knowledge (and some with prior knowledge) that these topics are just too hard to learn. i think sometimes hackerspaces unintentionally replicate this messaging, but even when they don't, they're up against a huge wall of discouragement and barriers they don't control. the public's sense of inadequacy has sources, and a history.

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  • Sep 23, 2026, 1:46 AM

    @Matrix11 (a few companies have figured this out, and have started adding lines like "apply anyway!" to the ends of their job postings, because the status quo discourages qualified candidates from ever contacting them and narrows their applicant pool)

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  • Sep 23, 2026, 6:11 AM

    @Matrix11 If you play minecraft (or a variety of other games) and you like it, you have the prerequisites to learn programming. Like minecraft, programming is a sandbox game with a lot of variety in both what you can build with, playstyles, and social interactions. You can focus on exploration, art, mechanisms, speed-running, optimisation, automation, role-playing, and more! Each of those even have things that have never been discovered before and that not even the devs/chipmakers imagine you can do. And yes, you can run minecraft with it.

    Learning programming is not hard, but you might have to change your approach from time to time, and you can tire of it at times, so taking long breaks isn't unheard of and is healthy. Have fun with it when and while you can, but don't shy from it. After all, one difference it has from minecraft is that it's free!

    (Not trying to convince you, just putting into words some of the motivations that brought me into the tech world in the first place. In a way, to remind me of why I am where I am)

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  • Sep 23, 2026, 8:50 AM
    @Matrix11 i'm thinking a lot about this. one line of thought here is a lack of internal reference points: having rarely conversations about the topic and its praxis and instead its presentation and effects.

    especially CS is bad at interactivity that would shape these points for the external individual. many of our works 1. have a lot of setup time (installing, granting permissions) 2. require prior knowledge (what is a plaintext editor? what is source code? what is syntax?) 3. are single-player (one entity writes the code and takes everything about it in, with collaboration being only cohered later).

    i'd argue we need more experiences that improve on these points, e.g. 1. run with what entities already have (in a browser, like https://typst.app/play or p5js) 2. have existing examples to remix and modify to take small steps 3. allow working together without overindividualizing ambient knowledge (typst has a collaboration feature where giving someone a link launches a web IDE where they can read/write at will).

    i'm sometimes asked in trains if i'm a hacker, which leads to fun 5min speedruns to explain why i am mostly harmless, what a hacker is, what a cracker is, why and how to learn computer, what my ethics are and how public perception works. this *requires* some sort of interactivity given the short time. can be questions about preferences and topics one likes, can be a hands-on experience. i try to weave both in and finish our conversation off with links to resources they might appreciate

    bluntly, tl;dr: when shouting at someone on the other side of the silo ( ref to https://www.buzzsprout.com/2396236/episodes/16592513-stepping-out-of-the-silo.mp3, "stepping out of the silo" by @grimalkina and @analog_ashley ), come around, hand them a ladder+tools and show them how they work rather than complaining about the wall just yet
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  • Sep 24, 2026, 4:07 PM

    @Matrix11 this is not entirely distinct from people who think they can’t draw or make art or play music because they feel they have to be great to be allowed to do these fundamentally human things

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  • Sep 27, 2026, 4:07 PM

    @mansalia @Matrix11 It's not really related to "normies" (whatever that means) (or I am a "normie", too).

    I think part of it is some sort of learned punishment.

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