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  • [object Object]zzt@mas.to
    Oct 18, 2026, 11:00 PM

    @netbsd this clears up a lot, thank you

    netbsd’s hands are tied, by their own bureaucratic rules, into driving traffic to a fascist organization they didn’t vet

    FUTO doesn’t really make a secret of who they are. they have consistently platformed fascists and bigots on their YouTube channel. their founder is affiliated with Curtis Yarvin, a name that’s infamous enough in 2026 that he needs no introduction. would a donation from Urbit prompt you to add their logo to your site? how about Truth Social? maybe Rumble, LBRY, or any of the other far-right disinformation networks that FUTO promotes?

    maybe you think this is irrelevant. ok. if Omarchy offered a donation with “no strings attached”, given the context around DHH’s goals to make the hacker community hostile towards marginalized people and friendly to slop, do your bureaucratic rules state you must accept the donation and display their logo on your site?

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  • [object Object]zzt@mas.to
    Oct 18, 2026, 11:05 PM

    @netbsd I’m not trying to do purity culture, whatever the fuck that is, or some gotcha shit with these questions

    I’d like to know how your bureaucratic rules around donations respond to the precise type of threat that has made many other projects very hostile places for marginalized contributors, as someone who has had to leave several projects after bad actors with money made them hostile

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  • NetBSD Foundation 🚩netbsd@mastodon.sdf.org
    Oct 18, 2026, 11:13 PM

    @zzt legitimately we haven't had to have this discussion before because nothing like this has ever happened before to us. such is life in these past few years.

    someone's brought it to our board of directors now so a decision has to be made one way or another, just not over mastodon.

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  • NetBSD Foundation 🚩netbsd@mastodon.sdf.org
    Oct 18, 2026, 11:21 PM

    @MonKaiju @zzt generally, board doesn't make public statements like that. however, since everything is exceptional at the moment, and it's already being talked about, yeah there will probably be a statement. stay tuned.

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  • Deb Nam-Kranednkboston@apobangpo.space
    Oct 19, 2026, 12:45 AM

    @netbsd I'm confused. You have never conceived of the possibility that someone might give you money that you wouldn't want to take?

    I'm the head of a non-profit. We're always thinking about how to ask for money because we need it. But if someone who is fascist- or AI-adjacent made a donation, I would refuse it--especially if it meant I'd have to put their logo on our site. We don’t need money *that* badly.

    @zzt

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  • Jones Murphyjonesmurphy@mastodon.social
    Oct 19, 2026, 12:55 PM

    @dnkboston @netbsd @zzt There's nothing to greenwash in many uses of AI. AI is not yet remotely comparable in threat to racism. All of the worst threats of AI today stem wholly from racism, the far bigger problem at least for the foreseeable future.

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  • Deb Nam-Kranednkboston@apobangpo.space
    Oct 19, 2026, 3:01 PM

    @jonesmurphy Was just listening to Naomi Klein talk about her latest book. AI as it has been embraced by Big Tech is part of a fascist, eugenicist project. Racist "thought leaders" love this stuff, in part as a convenient way to rewrite history.

    It's not why younger generations are racist, but it's exacerbating the problem.

    @netbsd @zzt

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  • Jones Murphyjonesmurphy@mastodon.social
    Oct 19, 2026, 5:05 PM

    @dnkboston @netbsd @zzt Naomi Klein has huge blind spots because of her racism, just making her extremely reluctant to talk about racism and much more focused on problems which are consequences of racism and/or are far less threatening than racism. AI is much bigger and older than current Big Tech leadership. Western culture as a whole largely centers on rewriting history in racist ways. False, racist history is key to the self-esteem and happiness of the vast majority of Westerners.

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  • Jones Murphyjonesmurphy@mastodon.social
    Oct 19, 2026, 5:08 PM

    @dnkboston @netbsd @zzt Younger generations are very divided. Most are less racist than older folk and thus are significantly better behaved. BUT the most racist youngsters join older racists in heavily causing the worst behaviors of Big Tech along with doing all kinds of horrible damage to themselves, the USA and the world.

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  • Jones Murphyjonesmurphy@mastodon.social
    Oct 19, 2026, 5:11 PM

    @dnkboston @netbsd @zzt When I broke my hand 8 years ago, and was unable to type, AI-driven speech to text was the best I had for many tasks. AI-driven text to speech helps hundreds of millions of disabled people around the world right now, nothing to do with Big Tech or evil. There are numerous positive applications of AI right now, and those are surging. AI as a whole cannot yet be remotely compared to racism as a threat to humanity. It's not even close.

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  • Deb Nam-Kranednkboston@apobangpo.space
    Oct 19, 2026, 5:19 PM

    @jonesmurphy My son used to use speech to text that was built into Word. I didn't think it was evil. I find the speech to text software you reference annoying and it makes me paranoid, but I can see how it would have been very helpful for you.

    The features I did like--e.g., useful spell and grammar checks--appear to be gone and replaced with garbage. I hope that's not the case for the good voice to text features.

    @netbsd @zzt

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  • Jones Murphyjonesmurphy@mastodon.social
    Oct 19, 2026, 5:26 PM

    @dnkboston @netbsd @zzt It wasn't just helpful to me with a broken hand(and broken leg/ankle/foot at the very same time back then 8 yrs ago). It's useful to hundreds of millions right now, most of all numerically senior citizens with deteriorating senses. Many if most most of us are heading that way if we're lucky to live long enough. I'm not sure what you mean re spelling/grammar. Language translation and tuition AI 'garbage' is growing tremendously amongst numerous languages around the world.

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  • The Sleight Doctor 🃏🍉ApostateEnglishman@mastodon.world
    Oct 19, 2026, 6:02 PM

    @jonesmurphy @dnkboston @netbsd @zzt Personally, when I critique "AI" I'm talking narrowly and specifically about large language models (LLMs), and other "generative" systems that only work by hoovering up the whole of human knowledge and creativity, and regurgitating it back at us. They can't output anything that a human hasn't already contributed to the corpus - hence the "model collapse" problem. They can't reason nor solve any new problems.

    Machine learning (ML) is a broader topic.

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  • Jørnjornane@bsd.cafe
    Oct 18, 2026, 11:33 PM

    @zzt @netbsd The rules are pretty clear I’d say.

    netbsd.org/donations/

    If you donate above a certain amount, you can request your logo and a link be included on the site for that year.

    That is not an endorsement by the NetBSD project, and I don’t think anyone would assume that.

    This donation policy has been pretty common, I don’t think I’ve heard about bad faith donating before this year. So I fully support them taking the time to think this through and not take any hasty decisions.

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  • Cassandrichdalias@hachyderm.io
    Oct 19, 2026, 12:26 PM

    @jornane @zzt @netbsd The rules are ill-thought-out. I am not a formal organization just an individual maintainer, and even I expected this kind of abusive donor behavior and put explicitly in the musl "release sponsor" terms that the offer is only for individuals not organizational sponsors.

    And even still I had FUTO trying to cheat and advertise themselves as having sponsored the project on the basis of a one-time personal donation they sent unsolicited on a channel clearly marked as not for that, to the maintainer personally rather than to the project.

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