@xChaos @datarama the engine in our society of wrongdoing is #capitalism
#billionaires are the product. It went wrong with Thatcher and Reagan handing over power from nation states to the financial system.
We need #tobintax to get our money back and to be able to steer society into a sustainable course.
So political parties and right wing oligarchy are to blame for sure.
Jun 27, 2026, 9:04 AM@hanscees @datarama It is definitely not the first time I hear this ideas and arguments. It even may be the direction in which the events will take turn... just like Roman empire en-masse turned to Christianity, after first prosecuting it heavily...
What I am saying, that things like Tobin tax change don't magically optimize the consumption.
As for flying, the European tax cuts for airlines are ridiculous, but everybody is silent, because the voters won't vote for more expensive holidays.. but still, the total amount of consumption would not change. The money flows would change, but unless you totally restrict access to certain resource, the resource is going to be consumed.
Less private jets and more people flying to cheap holiday would be nice.. but the environmental impact is not social impact. Environmental impact It would be the same. And it is extremely unpopular opinion, because, no one really wants less consumption: people on right blame people, who supposedly don't work, so there could be more consumption, people on left blame inequality of consumption, but still want total amount of consumption to rise.
There is no easy way out. Of course, some solutions are easy: like do not force everyone to use AI, with its ridiculous energy consumption, or so.
@xChaos @hanscees @datarama "the total amount of consumption would not change"
If that were true, further subsidising resource consumption would have no effect as well.
But, in reality, most resources are consumed more when they are cheaper. And the reverse is also true: resources are consumed less when they are more expensive.
@ahltorp @xChaos @datarama To make co2 go down we need other rules/ laws / treaties. Because of the current power of rich people thats not gonna happen. So we need to take their power / money away and sifon it back to society. When that is being done and their power erodes society ( nation states) can alter the rules / laws / treaties.
Thats why we need a big fat #tobintax.
The power should be with nation states, not with oligarchy. Its fundametal for chage toward #ClimateAction
fundametal is the new #music trent for people being very angry they cant buy a house
(funda is a house buy and sell platform in the Netherlands)
#metal #shitposting