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  • NoisecolorNoisecolor@toot.community
    Jun 24, 2026, 10:40 AM

    @SomeVeganCheeseIsOk
    It's not a marketing term. We have always used this term. There was no marketing team involved.
    Humans need words to describe certain stuff.
    When we do choose those words those words are assigned that meaning. It's linguistics, it has nothing to do with who you think is a good or bad guy or what a certain group might like or not.
    In certain times words can change or the meaning of words can change. But in this case it's pretty clear I think.

    @xvf17 @emilymbender

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  • SomeVeganCheeseIsOkSomeVeganCheeseIsOk@mastodon.social
    Jun 24, 2026, 12:23 PM

    @Noisecolor @xvf17 @emilymbender AI as a linguistics term began in the science fiction community a long time ago to describe machine intelligence equivalent to or better than human intelligence. AI *as it is used today* is a marketing term to describe any one of a dozen machine learning tools, none of which have cognition or reasoning capabilities. Or, also as frequently, much cheaper decision tree bots with preprogrammed responses. The "human level" goalposts have moved to the term AGI.

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  • NoisecolorNoisecolor@toot.community
    Jun 24, 2026, 1:13 PM

    @SomeVeganCheeseIsOk
    You have 4 major fallacies there. 1.Etymology (ignoring how terms evolve)
    2.No True Scotsman (only human-level counts)
    3. False Dichotomy is bots vs. humans but ignores the middle
    4 the marketing claim is completely false. Everyone used the term before any marketing.
    LLMs fit the established AI definition by capability.
    @xvf17 @emilymbender

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  • NoisecolorNoisecolor@toot.community
    Jun 24, 2026, 3:02 PM

    @SomeVeganCheeseIsOk
    But on the other hand you wrote a few blatant falsehoods. Ai was never specified to be better or equivalent. I mean, what would that even mean, better? That makes no sense. You can't compare the two. And none of that matters. You are grasping for weird imagery straws for what, to not conceed llms are exactly ai?
    Still, 99,9% of the world think they are (that in itself makes the term correct) and don't even care how precise the term is. This is boring.
    @xvf17 @emilymbender

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  • SomeVeganCheeseIsOkSomeVeganCheeseIsOk@mastodon.social
    Jun 24, 2026, 3:36 PM

    @Noisecolor @xvf17 @emilymbender In early usage, artificial intelligence was specifically used as a term for computers which had human level or better intelligence, whether it had human-like body or not. You could read Asimov, for one of the most famous examples exploring the idea, but lots of others were also shaping the terminology.

    baen.com/artificial-intelligen

    That usage and definition persisted unchanged until recently.

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  • NoisecolorNoisecolor@toot.community
    Jun 24, 2026, 3:09 PM

    @SomeVeganCheeseIsOk
    I don't think you would every conceed to anything.

    I have a bullet proof case here.
    It's really hard to defend lmms are not ai. Especially since the word is defined by how it is used. But then even if you disregard that it fits all credible definitions.
    It doesn't even matter that much in the big picture. Doesn't even matter.
    But the anti ai crowd is (often) a mob that doesn't conced anything. Llms bad all the way. Absolute bad.

    Can't debate that.
    @xvf17 @emilymbender

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  • SomeVeganCheeseIsOkSomeVeganCheeseIsOk@mastodon.social
    Jun 24, 2026, 3:39 PM

    @Noisecolor @xvf17 @emilymbender I have been *very* polite to you. And you have, throughout this conversation, been incredibly patronizing and rude in return.

    So you will have to accept that when you say "I don't think you will concede anything here", I am going to assume you are actually talking about yourself and your personal rigidity, and not my attitude throughout.

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  • NoisecolorNoisecolor@toot.community
    Jun 24, 2026, 6:39 PM

    @SomeVeganCheeseIsOk
    No, why would I say that.
    Anti ai mob is really absolutist. It's true. Everything ai is bad and anyone saying that's not absolutely true, is attacked. So ai is bad for the environment, nobody likes it, it sucks and does everything wrong, its not even actually ai, .... There isn't space for debate.
    @xvf17 @emilymbender

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  • SomeVeganCheeseIsOkSomeVeganCheeseIsOk@mastodon.social
    Jun 24, 2026, 9:38 PM

    @Noisecolor @xvf17 @emilymbender You miss my point and fail to acknowledge your own extraordinary rudeness is contributing to your problems here in this conversation. You don't seem to be reading what I'm writing, you seem to be reading some other, more antagonistic conversation that's happening in your head. You act like your angry contempt is somehow justified and useful. It's not.

    You aren't learning anything or teaching anyone anything. So why are you bothering?

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  • NoisecolorNoisecolor@toot.community
    Jun 25, 2026, 5:56 AM

    @SomeVeganCheeseIsOk
    I'm poking, trying to get someone to selfreflect.
    I'm not angry as I don't feel like I have a horse in this race. That's probably the only time I comment when I see something illogical, something out of place.
    I can understand when arguments are being made and people expressing their opinions, but when people start taking about that in black and white terms then adding emotion to it, that's when I like to poke.
    @xvf17 @emilymbender

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