I honestly don't think I've seen such a clear example of time & effort being wasted as a result of blind reliance on AI before.
Let's be clear, it probably won't take that long to fix as a lot of the work will still be applicable (as long as the implementation wasn't AI-drivel too)... but, seriously, all for the sake of not spending the time to read the actual standard?
Jun 2, 2026, 11:41 AM@Cyberoutsider people just don't read anything anymore. It's kind of a problem.
@jprjr @Cyberoutsider Hallucinating plagiarism machines are *designed* to feed their victims answers that reduce their ability to do their own critical thinking in favour of relying more with their overhyped Clippy instead.
They actively encourage addictive behavior because it increases shareholder value.
@Cyberoutsider welcome to bicycle mechanicry. Almost daily, "AI told me this was absolutely the right part / method!"
My human in the big wheel, no...
Jun 2, 2026, 11:42 AM@Cyberoutsider the fix would be making standards free to read
@h3 @Cyberoutsider and then forcing their eyes open and making them read it, Clockwork Orange style?
Jun 2, 2026, 12:00 PM@neoluddite @Cyberoutsider
no. i think LLM use is often a symptom of some larger problem at hand. like standards not being available. or too much workload. genAI is a good tool to conceal what's wrong with a system, and the people at the short end of the stick are told it's actually good for them
@h3 @Cyberoutsider AI psychosis is real tho
Jun 2, 2026, 12:11 PMusing LLMs for therapy is obviously not good for the user, but just indicates how dysfunctional a medial system is for those who dont have lots of cash on hand.
in the US, you get fucked financially, here in Germany, it's hard to get it through public health insurance, and in the UK ur going on multi-year waitlists for anything trans*-related.
Jun 2, 2026, 12:13 PMor "AI partners" which are at best an indicator for widespread lonelyness, but probably just a symptom of people desiring "a partner that obeys" (can have its memories edited and such) because all those fucked up patriarchical ideas still inger everywhere under a thin coat of paint
@h3 Oh, I didn't mean using them for therapy, I meant just using the things seems to have weird effects on people's brains. I suspect something about talking back and forth with a friendly and obsequious agent that always agrees with you and does what you say makes other (normal) people look like assholes by comparison.
@neoluddite @h3 @Cyberoutsider man, no. ISO standards you have to pay hundreds to read are an actual barrier.
@SomeVeganCheeseIsOk @h3 @Cyberoutsider What? Do you seriously think that someone is writing an ISO 9001 framework for funsies in their free time? How much does two months of someone's time cost? Pretty sure that's more than "hundreds"
@SomeVeganCheeseIsOk @neoluddite @h3 Nah... they're about the same as a coffee and cake anywhere in Geneva...
@h3 @Cyberoutsider Won't help when they go "Gemini, summarize this page" and it'll cheerfully hallucinate half the information.
Jun 2, 2026, 12:25 PMIts extremely weird that things are meant to be both standards and paywalled. Like, is it international and for everyone or not?
@h3 Accessibility of standards is a very valid discussion. The issue is that all organisations need a revenue stream (even those that are largely volunteer-driven - like OWASP - have an overhead they need to fund).
ISO's approach to charge for access to standards may seem like gatekeeping, but it allows them to not be 100% reliant on government funding - and the whim of administration changes, such as what NIST is feeling right now.
And if you're a commercial organisation, likely seeking some sort of financial benefit by meeting a standard, it seems only fitting that your financial gain should - in part, and some way - go back to support those that maintain and update the standard. I promise you that the standard itself is next to nothing compared to how much some companies will pay for consultancy and certification audits...
All that said, yes, we should all aspire to make sure that access to standards is fair and in a way that benefits society as a whole.
@Cyberoutsider I suspect it's not spending the time, but "look, I saved money by not buying the standard, because AI gave it to me for free!"