Oct 13, 2026, 10:50 PMI think she was just critiquing the original cloudflare bot stuff. Any hard data would be welcome.
- Oct 13, 2026, 10:50 PM
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Maija Koivula ⌘maijanlainen@mementomori.socialOct 14, 2026, 9:18 AMI can accept if you don't want to trust a random in the Internet who is telling you that a Yandex data centre exploding resulted in 90 % less hate traffic in Finnish women's politics on Facebook, I'm not a data scientist and I'm not in a position to write you a peer-reviewed article on this, but I have spent two years following this because I am worried that women are getting bullied out of politics in this country. Another thing that I find concerning is how even in Finland, where I can go and literally eyeball years worth of reaction stats on lady politicans' posts, the news are giving us a "there are no fake accounts on Social Media and anyone who says so is experiencing a distorted reality that has no connection with facts" when an Afghani-born MPs hater count goes from 500 to 8 overnight after years of steady daily dissing and hating, coinciding with a data centre explosion, and along with other female left politicians' accounts similar stats. And people are dismissing especially women's observations, and I've seen this "people are overreacting / it's a world view disorder" thing quoted in English and Finnish almost word-for-word both in the news and social media, and that is the *actual* tidbit that has *no verifiable source*, no anecdotes, not even a tiny bit of statistical evidence that there is even a single person who has said that the online harassment they've received has stayed constant while they think it has gone away, and I find it fascinating, especially coinciding with the fact that it's not men who are getting targeted by automated accounts, it's women who are getting gaslit.
- Oct 14, 2026, 9:33 AM
@maijanlainen I was merely contextualising what she was critiquing. The fact the initial chart with Yandex bot data was just about web crawlers rather than social media bots/trolls does not mean they weren't impacted.
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, and all that.
And of course I'm prepared to believe there's been a genuine drop in such trolls. It's just frustrating that it's very difficult to quantify.
- Maija Koivula ⌘maijanlainen@mementomori.socialOct 14, 2026, 9:38 AM
@davep And the original post appeared to me in a larger batch of similar posts one following up the other, all quoting the Cloudflare stats misuse as source as proof that there are no automated social media accounts on Facebook or other social media websites. I was somewhat blinded by it being eleven o'clock at night and by the context in which it appeared! And of course annoyed because people in Finland where we have an important parliamentary election coming up are using posts like this to prove that all the hundreds of hate posts are natural. That of course is not the OP's fault, and for that I'm sorry, it was entirely my fault @evacide
- Oct 14, 2026, 9:45 AM
No worries, you don't necessarily need to explain yourself 🙏
- Maija Koivula ⌘maijanlainen@mementomori.socialOct 14, 2026, 9:45 AM
Naah it's good to explain myself, does good for the brain to go over my thoughts, improves thinking.
- Oct 14, 2026, 9:53 AM
@maijanlainen I can imagine, especially after what seems to have turned into something of a pile on.
- Maija Koivula ⌘maijanlainen@mementomori.socialOct 14, 2026, 10:01 AM
@davep It's been horrendous here for the past four years, and there's a new disgrace every week, whether or not it's the PM letting Google destroy the environment and take a nuclear reactor for their own private use, or then it's the out-of-the-closet-neonazi minister of healthcare laughing on camera about women dying of breast cancer in unprecedented numbers because of the cutbacks to healthcare. And it's like this every single week. And record unemployment, record suicides, record bankrupcies. It's a very stressful environment to live in right now, and I can see social media does a lot of heavy lifting for the right wing, so the topic feels important to me.