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  • Oct 23, 2026, 6:55 PM

    In 1969, Kurt Vonnegut offered this sharp and still remarkably timely critique of American attitudes toward poverty through the voice of Howard W. Campbell Jr. in Slaughterhouse-Five.

    The belief that anyone can become wealthy encourages people experiencing poverty to blame themselves rather than question the economic and social structures that shape their circumstances. #books

    "America is the wealthiest nation on Earth, but its people are mainly poor, and poor Americans are urged to hate themselves. To quote the American humorist Kin Hubbard, 'It ain't no disgrace to be poor, but it might as well be.' It is in fact a crime for an American to be poor, even though America is a nation of poor. Every other nation has folk traditions of men who were poor but extremely wise and virtuous, and therefore more estimable than anyone with power and gold. No such tales are told by the American poor. They mock themselves and glorify their betters. The meanest eating or drinking establishment, owned by a man who is himself poor, is very likely to have a sign on its wall asking this cruel question: 'if you're so smart, why ain't you rich?' There will also be an American flag no larger than a child's hand - glued to a lollipop stick and flying from the cash register. Americans, like human beings everywhere, believe many things that are obviously untrue. Their most destructive untruth is that it is very easy for any American to make money. They will not acknowledge how in fact hard money is to come by, and, therefore, those who have no money blame and blame and blame themselves. This inward blame has been a treasure for the rich and powerful, who have had to do less for their poor, publicly and privately, than any other ruling class since, say Napoleonic times. Many novelties have come from America. The most startling of these, a thing without precedent, is a mass of undignified poor. They do not love one another because they do not love themselves." - Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
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  • Oct 23, 2026, 7:22 PM

    @Sheril It's a flaw in our culture that we equate 'wealth' with 'worth'. Who was worth more: Elon Musk or Nikolai Tesla? What was Jonas Salk worth? Or Marie Curie? More than what was in their bank accounts, I'm sure.

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  • Carstenmegalodonnelly@mastodon.social
    Oct 23, 2026, 7:56 PM

    @SueDiOh @Sheril that's what always bothered me about that rhetoric. When I ask why it is fair that Musk or Bezos or whoever make as much as they do, the response is usually "they work harder"

    They work that much harder? They put in that much gruelling work to make literal lifetimes worth of money every day, every hour? If that was the true test my dad would be one of the richest men on earth.

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  • Oct 23, 2026, 11:23 PM

    @megalodonnelly @SueDiOh @Sheril Rich people don't work harder or better than everyone else. They put themselves into positions of power which allow them to take a cut from other people's work.

    Their work (if any) is not focused on producing real value but on establishing and maintaining their position.

    Then every tiny unfairness is multiplied by the number of actual workers. Every percent of salary you fail to negotiate times the number of workers goes straight into their pocket.

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  • Oct 23, 2026, 9:54 PM

    @Sheril Unreasonable self-blame on the wrong side of the American wealth scale, too easily believing the egoistic arguments of those, who can afford to propagate the legend of owing their prosperity to hard, honest, oftentimes dirty & unpleasant work, and who got too easily & recklessly rich on the backs of gullibles.

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  • Oct 23, 2026, 10:19 PM

    @Sheril FDR's "3 R's":

    • Relief for the unemployed and for the poor,
    • Recovery of the economy back to normal levels, and
    • Reforms of the financial system to prevent a repeat depression.

    ≠

    Trump's "1R":

    • Regression you can buy — if your bribes are big enough!
    Bribe me! Buy me! Enlist me! Make me your agent!
    No matter where you're from! No matter the damage the U.S. might incur!

    FDR's social outreach & commitment vs. Trump's corrupt, anachronistic & antisocially disordered high crimes & misdemeanors.

    FDR's mission is as relevant today as it was back then. And it's time it's going to be fulfilled indiscriminately, equally, fairly & justly.

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  • Nazonazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social
    Oct 23, 2026, 10:40 PM

    @Sheril I would argue this is no coincidence but, in fact, done by design. It didn't really originate here, but we do seem to have refined the methodology. It doesn't even end there. Racism and hate in general are thrown in. We're taught from an early age to believe anyone who is poor must be so because they're lazy and just generally bad people "looking for handouts" of "our money."

    And thus the rich don't need powerful forces to control us to keep the divide. We do it for them.

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  • Oct 23, 2026, 10:47 PM

    @Sheril

    I think Americans have long suffered from the delusion of the ‘American Dream’, which is essentially that you can come to the US with nothing in your pocket, pull yourself up by your bootstraps and make a financial success of yourself in a way that was impossible under the feudal and class systems of the Old World. The US is supposed to have equality of opportunity….but does it now or did it ever? I find it hard to believe when the Founding Fathers held slaves.

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  • Oct 23, 2026, 11:02 PM

    @Lightfighter @Sheril

    In my teens there were two American authors who I felt really spoke to me - Kurt Vonnegut and Hunter S.Thompson. The latter spoke quite bluntly about the death of the ‘American Dream’ in that the hope and optimism of 60’s counterculture was squandered and then snuffed out essentially by corporate greed and Nixon. (As an aside if Nixon had been jailed for his crimes, there would be no Trump in the White House today)

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  • Oct 23, 2026, 11:09 PM

    @Lightfighter @Sheril

    Me too! My interests and taste in authors has widened considerably since my teens, but they definitely made me think about a lot of fundamental issues at that critical age. They were never taught in school (well not in the UK)

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  • Oct 24, 2026, 12:16 AM

    @Sheril we don’t see ourselves as poor or rich, ironically. When we don’t have enough to make ends meet we are just temporarily unrich. “If that horrible tragedy hadn’t happened to great grandXitd be hard to spend all the money I’d have” The odd thing is I’ve never met a rich person, even though I’ve met a few over 8 figures net worth. They are just “doing ok for myself” or “riding the market”.

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  • Oct 24, 2026, 12:59 AM

    @Sheril that last line … “they do not love one another because they do not love themselves”.

    We are all in this burning house together, and the thing we must save from it first is love.

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  • Oct 24, 2026, 1:54 AM

    @Sheril Society tells people that if you don't have enough, it's because you're a loser. There's something wrong with you. And so it goes.

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  • Oct 24, 2026, 6:42 AM

    @Sheril ой... Америка страна бедных. Да, проверяй.

    Умение людей ценить самих себя, это важно и это действительно то что повышает собственную оценку в глазах окружающих.
    Но то что американцы так почитают правительство и людей выше себя что готовы терпеть нехватку денег, вам самим то не смешно? Рабский ген американцев.

    Я молчу о Китае, молчу о Африке и Индии и о России.. самый угнетенный народ не умеющий за себя постоять конечно американские граждане.

    @ask

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  • Oct 24, 2026, 1:05 PM

    @Sheril
    One of the wisest quotes I've ever read was from a comic book I bought as a child. GrandPappy Crow told Heckle & Jeckle:

    "It's easier to turn $10 into $20 than it is to turn no dollars into ten."

    Surprisingly intuitive for a child's comic book. :thinkerguns:

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