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  • Jun 7, 2026, 5:58 AM

    I'm in a discord server where there was a very popular member who left on bad terms. They've got a better resolution system than most, where it happens publicly so people can't use silence as shield. The problem I had with it is how quickly the entire structure collapses into court. & I can't say anything to them about it, because the un-collapsed structure is "not court".

    Anyways, I read through as much as I could before I collapsed into my mirroring wounds (which wasn't much). There was a grief thread for people to process. I decided to do a voice note so I could process things, & since it was unfiltered & I hadn't read much, I said a lot of incorrect statements. I also expressed support for the ex-member (& alleged grifter).

    Immediately, the space collapsed into court, & I was soon reprimanded for the length of the voice note. I reply "I can delete it" to which they responded "no", & then I started getting dog-piled about the factual inaccuracies. I get that it's a sensitive space & a sensitive topic, but it was strange how I couldn't delete the voice note & had my own sensitivities denied when I'd thought it was a space to process & vent.

    I don't know what to do here. I've paused the discord app 'cause I was feeling sick from what felt like a humiliation ritual on what could've just been an "I take back my words". But also the group seems to have been doing a better job then most at keeping the space safe & honest, so I've got doubts on my end. Like am I oversimplifying to evade some deeper transgression that I'm avoiding? IDK what's ok to publicly process this since they use everything in that court, & I'm sure I'll be called in there soon.

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  • Jun 9, 2026, 6:49 AM

    Latest update on our understanding (still subject to change):

    I think I am at fault here, & may have mostly been upset at the shame of being exposed, combined with fears of the wrong things being criticized (does happen). I think I've uncovered an extractive pattern of mine, where if all the right stories align & I'm feeling enough pressure (e.g. collapsing from shame), then I can connect & center my wound to extract validation/intimacy. Further evidence of this theory is that extracting intimacy is something my mom does to me.

    I can notice when my mom extracts validation/intimacy because I no longer believe her stories, but I guess I must've been believing mine.

    This also matches the pattern behind several other people who've left. They had extractive behavior that accumulate until it reached a point of no return before anyone noticed. Is the present theory.

    If true, then the "collapse into court" phenomena I'd felt would've been happening inside each extractor's mind. Which makes sense to me because the resolution channel feeling like a graveyard would totally trigger a haunted person. & If true, if I go back on discord I'll probably be fine if I explain myself.

    But if false, I'll be subjected to more shame & be unable to sleep again. Remaining fragile to this makes me unsafe, yet so does hardening in a way that doesn't contain me.

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  • Jun 7, 2026, 6:26 AM

    @jens I mean I get that, but I'd thought (incorrectly) that the grief processing would be separate from court. I was surprised by how quickly my transgressions were frozen in place despite supposedly being a problem; like I didn't even know that was a thing they did. Just immediately collapsed into court, seemingly over how I was processing.

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  • Jun 7, 2026, 6:33 AM

    @jens ok now you're giving me self doubt again, because they've done a particularly good job of keeping the community safe.

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  • Jun 7, 2026, 6:38 AM

    @vex Safe from its own members?

    I mean, things are complex when fear and reasons to fear come into play. But there is also such a thing as "too much".

    I used to moderate a safe space for vegans (TL;DR), and quickly found out that the biggest danger to the safety of the members weren't trolling meat eaters, but animal liberation front supporters.

    "You don't attack anyone here, or you're out" is the moderation rule for safe spaces. Most anything up to that is OK.

    Court attacks your own.

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