And what really gets me is the word "quick" or "quickly"
In their eyes it's always a quick and easy fix that should be done right away for them but if you ask them how they are clueless
If you request something from a developer, STOP using the word "quick" because it's often not
It feels like massive disrespect
@stux just tell them how they can do it themself :3 Throw google terms.
And if they tell you that "you already know that stuff", you can tell them "yes, and work pays me xx $currency per hour to do it. I can track my time and charge you the same rate instead" :)
@stux Zo herkenbaar!! Blij dat we daar vanaf zijn.
@Zjaan Echt he! ❤️
@stux IMO, friend price is BS unless initiated by the friend itself.
I like my friends, and I wouldn’t screw them over by expecting them to lose income over me.
@mahryekuh Yup they are
I made professional websites for 150 bucks lol -.-'
@stux 150 bucks?? That’s lowball.
Personally, I’d let ‘em shop at a website company just so they could get a feel for the prices.
@mahryekuh I know right, even that was "pricey" according to them
Most companies start with a few K to begin with
@stux Procey? For 150 most companies will laugh their ass off before they say no 😂
A few K even for simple sites is not unrealistic given the time and knowledgd needed to do it right.
@mahryekuh Yeah.. that included updates, edits etc
And thats where i always got fcked, the "edits" parts was always so much
Sometimes i redesigned the site twice or more since they actually wanted something different
@stux Gosh, that’s rough.
I assume you’re no longer doing that?
@mahryekuh Nop, if they wont pay for updates i wont do them
At some point stuff gets broken so much i offer to build a new site for an XXX amount
It's shitty to say but my parents aren't worth it
@stux Dit klinkt beter in het Nederlands.
Een vriendin van mij zegt altijd:
> “Met vrienden moet je wandelen, niet handelen.”
(En dat geldt ook voor familie.)
Gelijk heeft ze.
@mahryekuh klopt! die houd ik ook aan tegenwoordig, ook met buren
Ik doe het liever gratis dan, ook geen rechten te ontlenen
@stux So much this! I paired up with a graphic designer, and we usually charged something like 1-2000€ for a small business website that was essentially the same as Wordpress does now. (We're still 20 years ago.) I generated the CMS code in PHP (long before AI) and we custom built the theme and design on top of it.
I quickly learned to double my hour budget for the edits they were sure they didn't need. I stopped telling them about how I calculated the offer. 😅
@stux Also, if it is quick, the developer will let you know. If it's quick, we can get onto the next job.
@Remittancegirl Wish it where quick indeed :blobcatgiggle:
Few days ago they send me a link to php.net with: "there is the solution, just download"
tihi
@stux God save us.
@stux @Remittancegirl You should have replied with "Just wget -m php.net then?"
@RandamuMaki @stux Better yet. Tell them to go to any AI chat bot and vibe code it themselves.
@Remittancegirl @stux Ew, no. Use of AI should never be encouraged.
@RandamuMaki @stux It will be the last time they ever use it though. 😂
@Remittancegirl @RandamuMaki But I prob have to fix it 😆
@RandamuMaki @Remittancegirl Hahaha :blobcatgiggle:
@stux You should point people to the Project management triangle; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_management_triangle
They can have it done properly, quickly, or cheaply. They can pick one.
@stux Quick in archaic English also meant alive, so all Human developers are quick by definition.
@stux At my job the one I hear all the time is "It shouldn't be too hard to..." and "I don't understand why we can't just..." These are just as bad as "quick", especially when said with a demeaning tone.