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  • MissConstrueMissConstrue@mefi.social
    Mar 11, 2026, 5:32 PM

    @riley Thats a very good question and you are so clever to think of it, I’d be happy to drill down on this topic for you.

    Heh, sorry. Not a chatbot. Old philosopher, so...like a chatbot, only caffeine powered, argumentative and capable of consciousness. (Or at least, I would argue I’m conscious.) I honestly did believe it was a very illustrative analogy. Most people will parrot the clock paradigm; ie right twice a day, when you are correct that the underlying logic of the premise is faulty, and therefore any attempt to treat it as true will fail.

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  • Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UKvfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
    Mar 11, 2026, 5:45 PM

    @riley @MissConstrue

    I was thinking of some equipment I saw at a "Telekom-Museum" in Germany - it contained a clock but wasn't always powered on (or was just a display piece)

    The Germans had quite sensibly put a diagonal strip of red tape (in the style of the "Universal No" symbol) across the clock face, so you knew it was *not* a timepiece to be trusted..

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  • contrasocialcontrasocial@mastodon.social
    Mar 11, 2026, 9:24 PM

    @MissConstrue @riley

    In the interest of pedantry (not in defending LLMs), if a person doesn't know what time it is, and doesn't know the clock is broken, and happens to check it at the exact right time they now know what time it is, no?

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  • MissConstrueMissConstrue@mefi.social
    Mar 11, 2026, 10:39 PM

    @contrasocial @riley They may, but that still doesn’t make the clock correct. Truth can be derived from false premise, logically speaking, ie symbolic, but, and this is the important bit, it does not make the false premise true.

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  • Michael Weissmweiss@infosec.exchange
    Mar 12, 2026, 12:49 AM

    @MissConstrue @contrasocial @riley this is something I harp on frequently. If you're right for the wrong reasons, it's worse than being wrong. You got there by coincidence, but now you believe you know how to get there. That makes you far more dangerous than someone who simply doesn't know.

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  • KirKir@mastodon.uno
    Mar 13, 2026, 11:57 AM

    @contrasocial @MissConstrue @riley

    He does not.
    Say you roll a dice, and ask me to guess which number went up.
    I say 5, and I don't KNOW it's 5. If it actually ends up being 5, that does not mean I knew that.
    My guess was correct, but it was not knowledge.

    Knowledge is based on the robustness of the premises and the logical path built on them.

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  • clewclew@ecoevo.social
    Mar 14, 2026, 6:07 PM

    Joyously following up on the pedantry; the definition of knowledge I like best is _justified true belief_. This person doesn’t have justification though they think they do.

    Our justification is often shakier than we’d like!

    @contrasocial @MissConstrue @riley

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