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Aug 19, 2026, 7:46 PMThe more you know, the dumber you think others are
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Aug 19, 2026, 10:47 PMSo basically, except the Japanese sizes standard and the ISO one, all systems are utterly stupid (including EU sizes)…
conrad 🖖telebrief@ruhr.socialAug 20, 2026, 7:24 AM@devnull @nando161 Not really, EU sizes are based on the old Paris point, with one size corresponding to 2/3 cm, so they’re not arbitrary at all. They’re simply a historical measurement system that predates modern metric/ISO standardisation. It simply comes from a different historical system of measurement. Outdated perhaps, but not stupid, it was perfectly systematic for its time.
- Aug 20, 2026, 8:06 AM
@telebrief I know it's 2/3 cm… 1 unit = 2/3 of a centimeter is not practical… The Japanese system on the other hand is straightforward.
It doesn't matter if it predates the ISO system, we're not in 1300s something anymore… It's still being used in 2026, which is **way long** after the ISO and the Japanese systems have been created. The fact it's still being used is stupid… Just because "it's historical" doesn't mean it should be used forever and can't be deemed a stupid choice…
- conrad 🖖telebrief@ruhr.socialAug 20, 2026, 8:17 AM
- Aug 20, 2026, 8:24 AM
@telebrief Except feet vs last was not my point… The issue is using an arbitrary unit of 2/3 cm for… reasons and that is deemed above criticism just because "it's historical"… (Fuck stupid conservatism…)
If EU was 28,6 size for 28 cm instead of "43", the additional 0.6 because it measures the last rather than the feet, wouldn't be a an issue…
- conrad 🖖telebrief@ruhr.socialAug 20, 2026, 8:41 AM
@devnull @nando161 Why should 29 be inherently more useful to the customer than 44? Once the number represents the last rather than the foot, the supposed intuitiveness largely disappears anyway: “28” would never actually mean a 28 cm foot, so a centimetre-looking number could arguably be more misleading than an obviously conventional size like 44.
Breizhbreizh@pleroma.breizh.pmAug 20, 2026, 11:04 AM@telebrief @devnull @nando161 Well, if we switch to centimeters (or millimeters), we can also switch from measuring the last to measuring the foot anyway.
WellsiteGeoWellsiteGeo@masto.aiAug 20, 2026, 3:00 PM@breizh @devnull @nando161 @telebrief
If, and only if, all feet (and lasts) are the same shape.
Which they're not. You need at least 2, more likely 3) measurements.- Aug 20, 2026, 3:21 PM
@WellsiteGeo EU sizes doesn't say anything about any of these measurements, it's just the last length in ⅔ of a centimeter. 44 just means last's length = 44 × ⅔ cm so I fail to see how "EU is better because other systems only give the foot"… So does the EU size system… just in an arbitrary unit… Even if it were the foot length, it's still an arbitrary unit…
While the Japanese and the ISO systems are not perfect… They are a better starting point than paris points…