“If I use the short phrases against his torrents of sound, I get more going; the contrast. I just create my own line. I always try to balance it out like that. You have to listen, or else he backs you up against the wall. With Cecil, you have to fight for your life.”

And His Name Was Max:

https://www.allaboutjazz.com/his-name-was-max?ref=thetonearm.com