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  • Jun 18, 2026, 9:46 AM

    I sometimes quip that I'm a "third-generation atheist" - both my parents are atheists, and my maternal grandparents were both atheists too. (I don't know about my paternal grandparents; I never really knew them.)

    But it occurs to me that somewhere deep in my ancestry, there must have been someone who was a first-generation theist - the first to be converted to a theistic religion. And, even further back, there must have been a first-generation animist. I'm pretty confident that the former of those two must have looked recognizably human, but I'm less sure about the latter. Might H. sapiens sapiens have arisen as already animist, as we arose as already tool-makers?

    We don't know anything at all about Neanderthal or H. erectus spiritual or religious life, or if they even had any. We do know that at least some Neanderthal populations had ceremonial burials, but we don't know if this was done out of any concern for the spirit of the deceased or to manage grief in the living.

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  • Jun 18, 2026, 12:01 PM

    @datarama the discussion on origin of spirituality is interesting. Its easy to imagine an idea, over 100s of years, gradually turning from casual feeling/metaphor to a hard belief, "this tree is so big and old it must look after all the other trees" becoming "this tree holds the spirit of the forest and you must ask for its permission to pass through"

    And people easily have superstitions and rituals, even without believing in anything, lucky objects and numbers, touching wood, daily habits, "jinxing it". Maybe when that becomes tradition, and tradition becomes old, the same shift can happen.

    I think spirituality is probably nearly as old as language, and language at least older than neanderthals, maybe even as old as when people first had to coordinate hunting and build shelters. Though I wonder if there were ancient atheists too, people and cultures who just didn't find a need for it at the time

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