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  • mekka okereke :verified:mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
    Jul 2, 2026, 3:01 PM

    Translation for people that didn't take divinity classes when they were younger:

    By "traditionalist" they mean "pro-fascist." As in, the super racist part of the Catholic Church whose founder actually helped nazis round up Jews in Lyon for the Holocaust, and who was mad when France was liberated.

    apnews.com/article/vatican-tra

    As recently as a few years ago, their bishops were still denying the Holocaust publicly, and making super racist comments about muslims entering France.

    The Pope says "You can't just make new bishops yourself! We need to filter out your worst ones! The pope approves bishops!"

    They kept doing it.

    So the Pope said, "Fine. You can keep doing that, but now you're not Catholic anymore.*"

    (*Technically still Catholic, but excommunicated)

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  • Paul_IPv6paul_ipv6@infosec.exchange
    Jul 2, 2026, 4:01 PM

    @mekkaokereke

    yup. religion and tradition are just the nice suit and tie they try to dress up raw hatred and racism in to try to look better to the unsuspecting.

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  • Rachel Rawlingslinuxandyarn@hachyderm.io
    Jul 2, 2026, 3:12 PM

    @mekkaokereke If anyone needs a simplification, this is a group that supports the LePen family and was originally excommunicated by John Paul II, and appears to me to have exiled themselves into Switzerland after ruining their own beds in France. They're rumps in every sense of the word and there's nothing traditional about them.

    The headline is plain wrong.

    (And yay Leo for tossing these Vichy fucks again after Benedict reversed their previous excommunication. There's still so much wrong with the Church, but he's fixing some of it.)

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  • Charles ☭ :trans: , alphornistcelesteh@hachyderm.io
    Jul 2, 2026, 3:19 PM

    @mekkaokereke

    Oh my goodness, I think my grandfather may have been a member of that group? He signed up my parents for a subscription to some extremely fringe Catholic newspaper that was obsessed with Pius X, opossing right for women and for gay people and for holding all masses in Latin, not in that order.

    I used to read it, when I was a youth, and it said things about how homosexuality had gotten so out of hand in Kansas, straight students were a minority in most high schools. And so, I spent a few weeks in the suburbs of San Francisco wishing I was in rural Kansas.

    It took longer than it should have for me to realise they were just lying.

    Anyway, as Jesus famously said: "Lie all you want as long as you promote the spoken language of the colonisers who murdered me."

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  • Charles ☭ :trans: , alphornistcelesteh@hachyderm.io
    Jul 2, 2026, 3:36 PM

    @mekkaokereke

    Nobody else in the house read it and, tbh, being anti-gay was extremely mainstream in the early 90s, so this stays with me only as a funny story of the "stop threatening me with a good time" end of the far right.

    I was very lucky that the clergy my parents actually knew were good allies and/or gay.

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  • SQLAllFatherSQLAllFather@techhub.social
    Jul 2, 2026, 3:22 PM

    @mekkaokereke

    "An estimated 16,500 people gathered in Ecône for the [SSPX] ceremony, including members of New Force, an Italian neofascist political party, and National Future, a new far-right force threatening the Italian prime minister Giorgia Meloni’s chances of winning a second mandate in general elections next year."

    You can tell a lot about a group by the groups with whom they congregate.

    theguardian.com/world/2026/jul

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  • James WidmanJamesWidman@mastodon.social
    Jul 2, 2026, 3:57 PM

    @SQLAllFather @mekkaokereke ok, this is making a lot more sense than, "they just really prefer it when the religious services are performed in a language that is understood by the smallest possible audience"

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  • Frank Bartonfbarton@infosec.exchange
    Jul 2, 2026, 3:23 PM

    @mekkaokereke because as a previous manager said i must be a "frustrated English professor"...

    would this make them "catholic and apostate" instead of "catholic and apostolic"

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  • huntingdonhuntingdon
    Jul 2, 2026, 4:34 PM

    @mekkaokereke

    Headline writers fail to keep up. A Catholic sect that nominates its own bishops, without approval from and in defiance of the Vatican, is not "traditionalist."

    It is extreme and heretical, and asking for excommunication from a church whose teachings it no longer believes in and is not prepared to follow. The Pope gave it what it wanted.

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  • vocalone
    Jul 2, 2026, 4:51 PM

    @mekkaokereke Yes, it has been odd to me how much general coverage just describes them using terms like traditionalist. I started reading some of their documents the other day and it is way more than not liking Vatican II.

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  • DB Schweindeirdrebeth@mas.to
    Jul 2, 2026, 8:51 PM

    @vocalone @mekkaokereke

    There's a church near me that ignores Vatican II (per their reviews)... I'm now giving them WAY more side eye.
    I've been saying "That makes you *not* Roman Catholic, so take that shit off your sign" since I first saw that.

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  • Lats (314 ppm)Lats@aus.social
    Jul 2, 2026, 11:29 PM

    @mekkaokereke I know of people who are members in Australia. From what I’ve seen, it really is a backward organisation that works like a cult. The members pretty much isolate within the sect and try to maintain their tribe. Doesn’t seem super effective in a secular society like Australia as the kids make up their own minds and go their own way.

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  • sunflowerinrainsunflowerinrain@mastodon.online
    Jul 3, 2026, 9:10 AM

    @mekkaokereke
    I know one should read the whole article before judging, but that first paragraph of biased half-information was so bad I couldn't continue.
    Thank you for your incisive explanation.

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