Nils Jansenpublixpace@nrw.social
Oct 21, 2026, 4:00 PMDead-end upper-decks are generally horrible.
The channel host was not convinced either, with its design and comfort.
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Oct 21, 2026, 4:01 PM@publixpace Bear in mind the Italian ones are built for their more restrictive loading gauge (4.3m height), while theoretically the German ones could be 30cm higher. Maybe this means they can eliminate some of the cramped areas? We can hope!
- Nils Jansenpublixpace@nrw.socialOct 21, 2026, 4:04 PM
Or maybe that train just was the cheapest because nobody else wants it and they had to sell it off at a discount😉.
Oct 21, 2026, 4:16 PM@publixpace @jon They definitely want a foot into the German market.
Question is: Will this be yet another Ansaldo-Breda train that performs okay on Italian railways but is an utter disaster abroad? I know what I am betting on.
- Oct 21, 2026, 4:19 PM
@partim @publixpace I am betting on it being horrid but reliable enough. Like the Hitachi products in the UK.
- Oct 21, 2026, 4:21 PM
@jon @publixpace Those aren’t Ansaldo-Breda, though. I’m not convinced Hitachi had that much positive influence on them.
- Oct 21, 2026, 4:27 PM
@partim @publixpace Is there anything of an AnsaldoBreda lineage running anywhere else in Europe? (Greece doesn’t count)
Jonas BoströmJonas_Bostrom@mastodonsweden.seOct 21, 2026, 4:33 PM@jon If you count trams there are AnsaldoBreda trams in Gothenburg. @partim @publixpace
onterofonterof@sueden.socialOct 21, 2026, 6:23 PM@Jonas_Bostrom @jon @partim @publixpace Metro Madrid and Metro Copenhagen (I think?) have rolling stock from AnsaldoBreda. But those are not really comparable to regular trains.
- Oct 21, 2026, 6:27 PM
@onterof @Jonas_Bostrom @partim @publixpace The Kbh ones have lousy build quality. The Madrid ones no idea.
- Oct 21, 2026, 4:36 PM
@jon @publixpace Things I can think of: the Danish IC4, the Norwegian type 72, Oslo’s SL 95 (which they finally got rid of). And of course the Fyra was supposed to.
- Oct 21, 2026, 4:39 PM
@partim @publixpace Those Norwegian 72 EMUs are not too bad actually, and are getting a mid-life refurbishment. So maybe it is not *always* a disaster? Maybe…?
- Oct 21, 2026, 4:46 PM
@jon @publixpace I seem to remember that the introduction wasn’t exactly smooth. But admittedly, that happens to more … reputable suppliers as well.
- Oct 21, 2026, 4:57 PM
@partim @publixpace right. But there was the idea they’d be scrapped but the series got a reprieve. Possibly because all Alstom orders are late.
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Lukasspaetzlesmasher@sueden.socialOct 21, 2026, 4:17 PM@publixpace @jon or Hitachi has some production capacity left while Alstom, Stadler and Siemens are quite busy atm, with the first two being unable to deliver on time aswell
- Oct 21, 2026, 4:18 PM
@spaetzlesmasher @publixpace I reckon Siemens or Stadler could do it. Alstom at the moment you totally cannot count on. But the question is how custom this Eurocaravaggio is going to be (compared to the regular Rock).