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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 8, 2026, 9:35 AM
FINAL EDIT: We've been making good progress with EVi! We've fully settled on version 9.1.0 with no AI code, we're on IRC @ #evi irc.oftc.net, we've gained a lots of popularity and we've been working on fixing tests and removing platforms that are deemed exotic with other cleanups. Thank you to everyone who has supported us this week!!!
hard-forked vim at release 9.1.0 (Jan 2024)
https://codeberg.org/NerdNextDoor/evi
maybe we can get a group of people behind this??
Fuck AI.
#VIm #FuckAI #Tech #Technology
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 8, 2026, 10:01 AM
I thought about calling my fork cvi (for "Community's Vi IMproved") and starting at version 10.0.0 and making release dates be months, not days.
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 8, 2026, 1:11 PM
Made an issue on how this should proceed.
https://codeberg.org/NerdNextDoor/vim/issues/1
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 8, 2026, 1:35 PM
Made a pull request to small-hack/open-slopware to add #VIm to the list.
https://codeberg.org/small-hack/open-slopware/pulls/38/files
#Codeberg #FuckAI
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 8, 2026, 2:51 PM
Updated my fork to 9.1.2073 before the release of it, specifically, the last commit before the AI commit.
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 8, 2026, 11:19 PM
The first commit by me to the EVi editor, a fork of VIm before the AI slop.
https://codeberg.org/NerdNextDoor/evi/commit/99d7fe946837131607e0b1cacbb3fb9a63cb4a18
Introducing, the beginning of development on EVi 10.0. (Intended to leave behind VIm 9.1/9.2.)
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 9, 2026, 3:47 PM
I also aliased #Vi and #VIm to #EVi on my MacBook and HP laptops.
EVi will be my main terminal text editor from now on.
https://codeberg.org/NerdNextDoor/evi
#Tech #Technology #FuckAI
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 9, 2026, 4:18 PM
#EVi is now on irc.oftc.net! Come out hang out at the 'evi' channel!
I also plan Matrix and Fluxer later on!
#VIm #Vi #Tech #Technology #IRC #FuckAI
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 9, 2026, 9:41 PM
News! #EVi is set to appear in @the 's #NoAI list in their April update!
https://forge.starlightnet.work/Team/No-AI/commit/74c2c286497b10d561141c6335423f263e97fed0
#Vi #VIm #FuckAI #Tech #Technology
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 10, 2026, 11:25 PM
@the Updated the #VIm entry for small-hack/open-slopware showcasing how the LLM code in VIm goes all the way back to March 2024.
https://codeberg.org/small-hack/open-slopware/pulls/70
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Dźwiedziudzwiedziu@mastodon.social
Mar 9, 2026, 9:36 AM
@mrmasterkeyboard This is a site I will watch with dread…
Already there are a few packages that I use or want to use, and at least one that is missing (ntfy).
I need to get on making an IDS ruleset for those, but that's far down on my priority list…
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Joe Wdrchaos@sauropods.win
Mar 9, 2026, 9:41 AM
@mrmasterkeyboard Just a (stupid) question: I think vim is pretty much there. Has been for a decade or so, I wrote lots of code and research papers using it.
Are there really important features missing?
That said (written): good catch, good initiative.
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 9, 2026, 9:48 AM
@drchaos I don’t think that really important features are missing. We’re on the last commit before the AI commit from Jan 9th, so I think it’s up to date.
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Entirio Rotokolyhierkiosk@social.tchncs.de
Mar 9, 2026, 4:28 PM
@drchaos
Sounds a little bit as if you wanted to say you can use the old codebase forever with no maintenance. I may have misunderstood/over-interpreted you, anyway some contradiction:
It definitely makes sense to maintain an old software even when it's under feature freeze.
Libraries which you depend on do change, compilers get new warnings, sometimes even operating systems do change. Most crucial for evi would be commonly used text terminals appearing/disappearing. Occasionally there could be a severe bug. Newer folks are used to different kinds of documentation, so it may make sense to adapt this.
In mid-term it could be considered what to do with xxd etc. which are by-packages of vim but seem to work rather independently.
@mrmasterkeyboard
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Joe Wdrchaos@sauropods.win
Mar 9, 2026, 6:35 PM
@hierkiosk @mrmasterkeyboard Overinterpreted maybe, and I hope I have not come across as dismissing of your effort.
Thanks for explanation!
Edit: and I was wondering about whether vim would need new features or "just" (yeah....) keeping it working.
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Entirio Rotokolyhierkiosk@social.tchncs.de
Mar 10, 2026, 9:05 AM
@drchaos
It's all fine. The effort I put into the vim/evi stuff is pretty small compared to the effort others make (side-eying @mrmasterkeyboard) and I don't feel it is dismissed anyway.
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Ken Franqueirokgf@hachyderm.io
Mar 9, 2026, 5:30 PM
@mrmasterkeyboard Given the impetus of your vim fork, I figured I should flag that fluxer's codebase is also very likely to contain vibe-coding, just in case you weren't already aware:
https://web.archive.org/web/20260218062337/https://blog.fluxer.app/how-i-built-fluxer-a-discord-like-chat-app/#the-llmephant-in-the-room
(linking to archive because the wording seems to have been heavily touched-up later, presumably due to backlash)
An issue was also raised about the project's extremely loose stance on allowing LLM-assisted contributions:
https://github.com/fluxerapp/fluxer/issues/435
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🌸 lumi-nhac :catbite: :no_ai: :antifa: 🌱lumi@snug.moe
Mar 9, 2026, 9:42 PM
@mrmasterkeyboard idk if you're aware, but fluxer is slopware: blog.fluxer.app/how-i-built-fluxer-a-discord-like-chat-app/#the-llmephant-in-the-room
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 9, 2026, 9:48 PM
@lumi This one... honestly, I don't know what to say.
Fluxer is the only thing better than Discord by a long shot even if it was LLM written in a small way.
My opinions on this are skewed.
Like yes, involvement probably wasn't that heavy.
Yes, it might have been the only way for a single person to do something like this.
But still it's an LLM...
I'm so conflicted right now, I don't know what to do.
Using slopware is a tradeoff instead of having age verification forced on me...
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🌸 lumi-nhac :catbite: :no_ai: :antifa: 🌱lumi@snug.moe
Mar 9, 2026, 9:50 PM
@mrmasterkeyboard i feel like we need a federated open standard for messaging made by the queer leftist community for the queer leftist community

once i have the headspace i'll do more in that direction
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 9, 2026, 9:50 PM
@lumi iirc i think i saw this exact idea somewhere... idk if it was you, but still, i like this idea
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🌸 lumi-nhac :catbite: :no_ai: :antifa: 🌱lumi@snug.moe
Mar 9, 2026, 9:53 PM
@mrmasterkeyboard i have posted about this before, yeah

i flip flopped a lot back and forth over the years of how i would approach it, whether i should do it as a matrix client (decided no), do it as an xmpp client (possibly) or do my own protocol

using deltachat also gave me some inspiration and changed my views a little. messaging protocols are a bit of a special interest of mine x3

i haven't used discord since 2017 and i only used it for a couple hours because i got horrified at it storing message logs on the server in plaintext. my views on this did soften a bit but i still think discord is down there with telegram as one of the worst chat platforms. everything it could do wrong, i feel, it does do wrong
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 9, 2026, 9:54 PM
@lumi i wanted to make my own chat platform once... i can't remember the specifics but it was like a twitter... fuckin discord... 4chan... idek hybrid with email, irc and skype in the mix
i don't know what the FUCK i was drinking but yeah.
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ailepetailepet@peoplemaking.games
Mar 10, 2026, 1:15 PM
@lumi @mrmasterkeyboard have you seen the recent news about IRCv3 ? https://social.treehouse.systems/@whitequark/116089585784234453
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🌸 lumi-nhac :catbite: :no_ai: :antifa: 🌱lumi@snug.moe
Mar 10, 2026, 1:16 PM
@ailepet @mrmasterkeyboard yeah! ircv3 is really cool!
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 10, 2026, 1:17 PM
@lumi @ailepet yeah i saw a bit about it.
also regarding EVi, we found AI slop in the codebase and we're currently trying to work out our best option to unsloppify it right now. we've identified all commits from said slop user.
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viqviq@hackerspace.pl
Mar 10, 2026, 11:12 AM
@lumi
It isn't federated, but what about Zulip?
@mrmasterkeyboard
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 10, 2026, 11:14 AM
@viq @lumi AI slop.
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viqviq@hackerspace.pl
Mar 10, 2026, 11:21 AM
@mrmasterkeyboard
FWIW, their stance https://github.com/zulip/zulip/blob/main/CONTRIBUTING.md#ai-use-policy-and-guidelines is "no automating communications, and you the person need to be able to explain all the details of the contribution"
@lumi
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🌸 lumi-nhac :catbite: :no_ai: :antifa: 🌱lumi@snug.moe
Mar 10, 2026, 11:21 AM
@viq @mrmasterkeyboard that still means allowing fundamentally unethical tech. so their morals are not at all aligned with mine
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viqviq@hackerspace.pl
Mar 10, 2026, 11:22 AM
@lumi
Yeah, fair.
@mrmasterkeyboard
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Aloïse Lud :flag_anarqueer: 🛠️coyotle@piaille.fr
Mar 9, 2026, 4:21 PM
@mrmasterkeyboard This is so very cool, I'll follow the development and thanks for everything !
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 9, 2026, 4:21 PM
@coyotle no problem! :D
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Bean Club :verified:beaiouns@is.nota.live
Mar 10, 2026, 9:17 PM
@mrmasterkeyboard woot
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 10, 2026, 9:18 PM
@beaiouns hey, nice to see another user running it! thanks!
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Colin McMillencolin_mcmillen@piaille.fr
Mar 9, 2026, 8:45 PM
@mrmasterkeyboard The Vim project accepts AI slop ? 🫠
Does EVERYTHING go down the drain ??
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 9, 2026, 8:46 PM
@colin_mcmillen apparently so, welcome to "the future"... :(
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matthewcroughanmatthewcroughan@defenestrate.it
Mar 10, 2026, 1:47 AM
fedi doesn't have a shitty_future account, but we need it now more than ever
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codeDude :archlinux: :neovim:codeDude@floss.social
Mar 8, 2026, 2:52 PM
@mrmasterkeyboard I didn't know the term "slop" O thought we will name this vommit.
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 8, 2026, 2:53 PM
@codeDude both work!
"that's a fucking slop vommit right there."
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Tiota Sramtiotasram@kolektiva.social
Mar 10, 2026, 10:46 PM
@mrmasterkeyboard @codeDude someone elsewhere pointed out that "vomit" could be short for "vibe commit."
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cloudskatercloudskater@bark.lgbt
Mar 9, 2026, 4:21 PM
@mrmasterkeyboard I'm not a programmer, I didn't even know what Vlm was before this, but thank you so much for your efforts.
This list worries me, though. I just uninstalled espeak-ng and will learn my way around flite, but I wanna ask you something, as I only have a surface level understanding of the implications of these technologies. I mean, I understand the impacts laid out on open-slopware, but I'd really like a programmer's perspective here.
I asked both Kdenlive and PeerTube devs at different points about their stances on AI, and these are the responses I got.
KDE (Kdenlive): https://bark.lgbt/@cloudskater/116179184695668448
Framasoft (PeerTube): https://framacolibri.org/t/peertube-and-generative-ai/26622
Can I get your takes on what these responses mean? I was and still am grateful for them, as they didn't seem to dodge my questions and gave a pretty straightforward reasoning to me, but perhaps there's something I missed or don't understand. I really love Kdenlive and PeerTube is a fantastic platform that I'm hoping to start creating videos for soon, so I really hope this doesn't fall into harmful territory.
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 9, 2026, 4:27 PM
@cloudskater I'm really bad at explanation or my views sometimes but I'll try to give what I think.
But first, I'd like to thank you for your question and your thanks for my efforts of trying to bring VIm out of AI.
This may take me a while so I'll post this bit now and try to respond as fast as possible.
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cloudskatercloudskater@bark.lgbt
Mar 9, 2026, 4:28 PM
@mrmasterkeyboard Of course, I'm always gonna support efforts like this. Thank YOU.
And take your time responding, there's no rush at all. <3
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 9, 2026, 4:38 PM
@cloudskater For Kdenlive, I feel they kinda avoided the AI point unless they mean it's machine learning rather than generative AI (which upon looking back they did say in the 3rd one), which I totally could get that. They didn't seem to explain the AI powered tools part. Yes, while some of these features are either machine learning or have been around for more time than the LLM craze, it doesn't full explain it all unless I'm also missing something.
I'd say a little suspicious but okay maybe.
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 9, 2026, 4:47 PM
@cloudskater For PeerTube, I think they did a better job of giving their position and uses of AI. While I agree that Whisper and transcription is murky in general, it's still better than having a chatbot or 'art' generator built in the site.
I respect their transparency too. I think they did really well laying it out. They did great, and I like how they mention who they partner with for art and other things.
While they have no confirmation and don't prohibit it, it's better than most places.
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 9, 2026, 4:47 PM
@cloudskater Thanks for waiting, it took a while to read and multitask some other stuff I've been doing too. :3
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cloudskatercloudskater@bark.lgbt
Mar 9, 2026, 5:29 PM
@mrmasterkeyboard You took now time at all! I don't expect instant responses, you're not a computer lmao
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 9, 2026, 5:31 PM
@cloudskater sometimes I wish I was one…
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Lucaslu_leipzig@troet.cafe
Mar 8, 2026, 2:35 PM
@mrmasterkeyboard IMHO, it's safer to drop the "IMproved". But I like the idea of renaming to "cvi" 🙂
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 8, 2026, 2:36 PM
@lu_leipzig good idea, I should do that.
I've been doing some research into the last non-AI version of VIm.
I've detailed my research in this PR on Codeberg, if you're interested about how far we can get to the latest non-AI code.
https://codeberg.org/small-hack/open-slopware/pulls/38
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Lucaslu_leipzig@troet.cafe
Mar 8, 2026, 2:41 PM
@mrmasterkeyboard There's a commercial IDE by National Instruments also called cvi though. So maybe cvi isn't a safe name either, unfortunately 🙁
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 8, 2026, 2:42 PM
@lu_leipzig that sucks, I'll need a different name then... goddamn you commercial apps!
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the thing is moving soon :neobot_flag_trans:thing@plasmatrap.com
Mar 8, 2026, 3:11 PM
@mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social @lu_leipzig@troet.cafe vi++, maybe?
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 8, 2026, 3:12 PM
@thing @lu_leipzig good idea actually, vi++ sounds nice.
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the thing is moving soon :neobot_flag_trans:thing@plasmatrap.com
Mar 8, 2026, 3:13 PM
@mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social @lu_leipzig@troet.cafe and the executable would probably be smth like vipp (since you can't always type "+". and maybe symlink vi++ to it.)
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 8, 2026, 4:40 PM
@thing @lu_leipzig Thinking about the name, it kinda sounds misleading? Sounds like VIm in C++.
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the thing is moving soon :neobot_flag_trans:thing@plasmatrap.com
Mar 8, 2026, 5:00 PM
@mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social @lu_leipzig@troet.cafe oh right...
hmm...
maybe vimmer? (or vimer?) (comparative* of vim)
:neocat_googly_woozy:
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 8, 2026, 5:01 PM
@thing @lu_leipzig what if we call it vime? (like vine) /jjjjj
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 8, 2026, 5:01 PM
@thing @lu_leipzig okay, proper idea, Vimitation?
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NerdNextDoor :Blobhaj:mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
Mar 8, 2026, 5:25 PM
@thing @lu_leipzig maybe VEx? Vi Expanded?
what about EVi? Excellent Vi??? EASY VI? I dunno anymore.
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