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  • Faith, Purple haired feminist 🧋 :v_tg: :v_lb: :v_greyace:faithisleaping@anarres.family
    Sep 9, 2026, 1:29 PM

    Christians will be all "It's just words. I didn't do anything. I didn't actually hurt anyone. I'm just expressing an opinion." whenever they're held accountable. But the moment they get their hands on a microphone it's "You're better off dead than damned."

    You don't get to have it both ways.

    Either it's just words in which case they're clearly harmful words and, since it's not that important, you should just shut up. Or you really are someone people should listen to, in which case you should be held accountable for your words and the effect those words have on those people.

    You don't get to have it both ways.

    And let be really clear: Homophobic theology kills. It's not words of life, it's words of death. And anyone promoting that shit is preaching death.

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  • violet 🩷💜💙violet@sunny.garden
    Sep 9, 2026, 1:52 PM

    @faithisleaping
    "It's just words"

    Then why did you say them?

    I get the feeling they all think they are very clever for saying the thing in such a way that they can accuse the listener of inferring something they didn't SAY, exactly, but never have an answer for why they said the thing in the first place if it didn't MEAN anything.

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  • Sophie in Munich (?)sophiesometimes@anarres.family
    Sep 9, 2026, 2:33 PM

    @faithisleaping The one that grates for me is the concept of “tough love.” The idea that you can abuse someone if you claim you are doing it because you love them.

    Nope, it’s just abuse. No love at all.

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  • Fiona :transbian: :autism: 🔜 eth0, 40c3Fiona@blahaj.zone
    Sep 9, 2026, 2:41 PM

    @faithisleaping@anarres.family Never forget:

    Juilius Streicher, the editor of the Stürmer, also only published words…

    He was rightfully sentenced to death in the Nürnberg-trials and executed shortly thereafter.

    “Just words”, “but freedom of the press”, … They are all just thought-terminating cliches to justify fascism and have to be fought with extreme prejudice.

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  • NephriteNephrite@gamedev.lgbt
    Sep 9, 2026, 6:54 PM

    @faithisleaping Oh, they understand. Wearing a cross necklace is fine, but wearing a pride symbol is propaganda. Putting a cross on top of your house of worship is fine, but hanging a pride flag is propaganda. Having christians in a movie is fine, but having queer folks is propaganda.

    They know the power of symbols. They're just being dishonest. Something their religion forbids, by the way. Fortunately there are still christians who actually believe in truth and love.

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  • Faith, Purple haired feminist 🧋 :v_tg: :v_lb: :v_greyace:faithisleaping@anarres.family
    Sep 9, 2026, 7:08 PM

    @Nephrite I’m genuinely can’t tell if you’re agreeing, contradicting, or trying to “yes, and…” but yeah… I know. 😩

    As for that last bit… Nah, I’m pretty done with “not all Christians.” I mean, yeah, there are some that are alright. But also, I’ve gotten really dumb cis/het people shit from Christians who I thought were among the best of them.

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  • NephriteNephrite@gamedev.lgbt
    Sep 9, 2026, 7:41 PM

    @faithisleaping Oh, I'm agreeing. I think the tolerant christians aren't very representative of their religion, even if I do think they have a better claim to its spirit. But what matters in the real world is not what I or they think is the "correct" version of christianity, but what christians and christian organizations actually do in the name of their faith. And most of that seems pretty bad.

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  • Jo - pièce de résistanceJoBlakely@mastodon.social
    Sep 9, 2026, 7:42 PM

    @faithisleaping @Nephrite
    I’m reading Gerda Lerner’s work on history & social change & things I’m learning include: a good portion of women’s rights activism & change for us was done by Midwest women in churches doing reform work, incl. nuns. It was pivotal.
    I learned prohibition was how women got their husbands & men to stop physically & sexually abusing them when drunk & that was done through Christian women’s rights activism.
    I’m seeing the harms, but also the good from stories buried.

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  • Faith, Purple haired feminist 🧋 :v_tg: :v_lb: :v_greyace:faithisleaping@anarres.family
    Sep 9, 2026, 7:51 PM

    @JoBlakely @Nephrite Yes, but you have to consider it within the cultural context. 100-150 years ago in the Midwest, everyone was in churches. It was the cornerstone of the entire social fabric, even more so than it is today. (And it still very much is in the Midwest.) Sure, not everyone showed up to listen to the pastor every Sunday morning but the local culture was all centered around the church.

    So… If the church was the backdrop, what does that say about the people? Were there some amazing women in the Midwest who worked behind the scenes to make our world better? Absolutely! Did it happen at church meetings? Yeah, some of it did. But did it happen because of Christianity? That’s the question.

    Because there were also plenty of women involved in those movements who were spiritualists or held other beliefs.

    So I’d much rather center the amazing women who were doing that work than that building they did it on or the men who built it.

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  • Jo - pièce de résistanceJoBlakely@mastodon.social
    Sep 9, 2026, 8:17 PM

    @faithisleaping most congregations in any religion are about community more than anything.
    And its people performing what they are told is Christian by leaders unfit to lead in order to ‘belong’. Most live unexamind lives, in fear of even questioning. Churches have always exploited women’s labor and community dependency. Even now. There is a lack of third spaces.

    It’s been IMO more greedy & exploitive & cult like since 80s & the televangelist, mega churches, prosperity preachers, etc…

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  • Faith, Purple haired feminist 🧋 :v_tg: :v_lb: :v_greyace:faithisleaping@anarres.family
    Sep 9, 2026, 8:28 PM

    @JoBlakely Yeah, and I think that’s the right view of the church. Less as this grand thing that makes peoples lives better but as a way for people — all people — to gather and form community.

    And power hungry men have always been using that social structure to gain power and control. And there’s also a lot of well-meaning but entirely unprepared pastors who are just trying to do their best. But we’re all humans after all. 🤷🏻‍♀️

    For as much as I hate what most of that American traditions have become, I actually have a lot of respect for the more pastoral model that at times has been employed by the Catholics and Anglicans (and probably others) where a pastor is assigned to a community and his job is to serve that community, including the ones who’ve never set foot inside his church. I can get behind that. Is it perfect? No. But it is a model in which, when done well, the church is providing an actual and valuable service to the community.

    But the American thing where churches are businesses competing for market share? Yeah, they can all burn.

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  • Jo - pièce de résistanceJoBlakely@mastodon.social
    Sep 9, 2026, 8:58 PM

    @faithisleaping
    There has been not enough people pushing back. I’m usually the lone person, & pay a heavy price of isolation. It’s rare to find true allies, hard to find community fighting against the system.
    Maybe it has nothing to do with being Christian. But they identified that way. They used it for the cause.

    They took huge risks AND maintained community. It’s inspiring to me and a story worth sharing for others to be similarly inspired...

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  • Jo - pièce de résistanceJoBlakely@mastodon.social
    Sep 9, 2026, 8:59 PM

    @faithisleaping

    I think more women today are questioning the patriarchy. There is a reckoning coming bc it’s women that built & maintained those buildings and the entire church infrastructure with their mostly unpaid labor and all their tithing.

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  • Jo - pièce de résistanceJoBlakely@mastodon.social
    Sep 9, 2026, 9:38 PM

    @faithisleaping
    Two of the nuns involved that Lerner mentions is Sister Joel Read
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Read

    and
    Sister Austin Doherty
    veteranfeministsofamerica.org/

    The thing that’s most remarkable was so few people initiated the women’s movement and organized for it to grow. It was persistence and always the insistence on inclusivity that pushed the movement forward.

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