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  • Theo HerzogTheoHR@troet.cafe
    Aug 7, 2026, 12:55 PM

    Bemerkung: Danke an @alle (verbleibe weiter ein begeisterter Liebhaber der deutschen Sprache)

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  • Kate Hildenbrand (DE)rootsandcalluses@norden.social
    Aug 7, 2026, 12:04 PM

    @fiee German here. German is a language made of compound words. You can make words longer and longer by adding more descriptive terms.

    So this would just be the
    Hilfe - Help
    Leistung - Service
    Hilfeleistung - Aid

    Lösch - extinguish
    Gruppe - group
    Löschgruppe - unit of fire fighters actually fighting fires

    Fahr - drive
    Zeug - thing
    Fahrzeug - Vehicle

    That being said: It's absolutely ridiculous to use this term unless this is specifically a children's book about firefighting.

    @TheoHR

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  • Hraban (fiëé visuëlle)fiee@literatur.social
    Aug 7, 2026, 12:08 PM

    @rootsandcalluses

    German myself and father of two junior firefighters. I know the lingo, I just doubted this one might be made up, but it’s correct. They usually just use the abbreviation (HLF).

    But you’re right, for a children’s book it’s overspecific.

    @TheoHR

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  • Kate Hildenbrand (DE)rootsandcalluses@norden.social
    Aug 7, 2026, 12:09 PM

    @fiee And this is why I think it's ridiculous to use this word in a children's book, and then not even with hyphens... Unless this is a fan club book by the fire fighters or some such, i.e. something for kids with special interests or parents hoping to raise their special interest in their child :D

    (Oh, you edited. My first sentence is now redundant :D)

    @TheoHR

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  • Hraban (fiëé visuëlle)fiee@literatur.social
    Aug 7, 2026, 12:13 PM

    @rootsandcalluses

    Exactly. Even the simpler “Löschgruppenfahrzeug” (that looks the same) would need an explanation like “the firefighters call this kind of fire engine LF because it seats a whole group of firefighters and doesn’t have a big ladder“.
    Anyway…

    @TheoHR

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  • dasgrueneblattdasgrueneblatt@wien.rocks
    Aug 7, 2026, 1:42 PM

    @rootsandcalluses It looks like the kind of book that is meant to be read to children too young to read while they look at the pictures. They would probably enjoy hearing the nice long word.
    @fiee @TheoHR

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  • Roger MooreVATVSLPR@c.im
    Aug 7, 2026, 4:05 PM

    @rootsandcalluses @fiee @TheoHR
    It looks like it is a book about firefighters, so it's maybe a bit more understandable.

    I wouldn't be surprised if a minor point of this kind of kid's book is to help get kids used to big compound words. Over the course of the book, you'd work your way up from smaller compound words to larger ones. That would give kids practice breaking larger words down into their parts.

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  • Roger MooreVATVSLPR@c.im
    Aug 7, 2026, 4:11 PM

    @grob @TheoHR
    A toddler doesn't need to be German to correct adults about the correct names of construction equipment. My English-speaking nephews loved doing it too, when they were that age. There's nothing toddlers love more than knowing enough about some topic to be able to correct adults, and some of us never completely grow out of that phase. It's one of the fun things about learning technical jargon.

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  • Piiieps & BrummmPiiiepsBrummm@chaos.social
    Aug 7, 2026, 3:14 PM

    @TheoHR
    As a child I had "Tutti al lavoro" ("Everyone at work" in Italian), because I pestered my parents on our holiday in Italy, when all my (German) children books have been read thrice.

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  • Asta v. SchröderAvSchroeder@fedihum.org
    Aug 7, 2026, 3:52 PM

    @TheoHR excellent example. If you want to learn German, read a book that uses actual German words.
    Also, all these people arguing that this was "too specific" for a children's book:
    1. This is how we build vocabulary AND learn about our world. All of us, but especially kids. By using specific words for specific things. Why say "wau-wau" if you want to talk about "dogs"? How to distinguish dog breeds without naming them? Or plants? or birds? Try it - how many birds can you name? 1/1

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  • Asta v. SchröderAvSchroeder@fedihum.org
    Aug 7, 2026, 3:55 PM

    2/2 Kids LOVE to learn new words. Depending on their interestes, they start very early to name the exact car brands, and the dinosaur names or pokemon some kids can memorise (and pronounce, and accurately identify) is mind-blowing --- and nobody bats an eye when they do.
    So why shouldn't the words in a German kid's book be exactly as long as the German word for a thing actually is?

    We all grow with our challenges.

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  • Klaus Frankagowa338@chaos.social
    Aug 7, 2026, 4:28 PM

    @TheoHR well good way to learn how joining words together to make new ones work. Don't see the problem.

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  • Shane Celisshanecelis@mastodon.gamedev.place
    Aug 7, 2026, 11:07 PM

    @TheoHR I’m doing this with French. I got The Three Little Pigs (Les Trois Petits Cochons). I thought it might be too easy but I only recently learned past tense so it was kind of perfectly at my level.

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  • EvaLie_TabletEvaLie@bildung.social
    Aug 8, 2026, 6:35 AM

    @TheoHR
    German "Sachbücher" for Kids are very specific. In my opinion it is awesome. My nephew loved these kind of books. He had a agricultural machinery catalog and learned the names, pointed at fields and named the machinery. He was four.
    Kids are amazing with words.
    And no, i do not think, it is enough to learn abbreviations - but you are right, they could
    have mentioned it, in a second sentence.

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  • Manuel Strehl 🫏boldewyn@mastodon.social
    Aug 8, 2026, 11:19 PM

    @sophteis @TheoHR ah, that’s because it’s usually shortened to “HLF”. You see, the DIN 14530, part 26, standardizes the HLF 10 and the HLF 20, with the most obvious difference of the latter having a FPN (Feuerlöschkreiselpumpe für Normaldruck) 10-2000 instead of the smaller FPN 10-1000. However, the older DIN version...

    Did I succeed in making the thread even more German? 😁

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