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Tor Lillqvisttml@urbanists.social
Jun 21, 2025, 6:15 AM
Ping #BahnBubble: What kind of rolling stock are "#EuroCity" trains operated by #Trenitalia entirely *inside* Italy? Like EC141 Milano Centrale 10:05–Venezia Santa Lucia 12:42.
EC141 is a popular train number, there is also "Ostravan" https://www.vagonweb.cz/razeni/vlak.php?zeme=ČD&kategorie=EC&cislo=141&rok=2025&lang=en and "Semmelweis" https://www.vagonweb.cz/razeni/vlak.php?zeme=ÖBB&kategorie=EC&cislo=141&rok=2025
No checks for overlaps before assigning such numbers? Crazy.
(Prompted by discussion with @husku .)
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Tor Lillqvisttml@urbanists.social
Jun 21, 2025, 7:02 AM
Ah, I see. That Milano–Venezia EC 141 is actually supposed to be EC 41 Genève–Venezia https://www.vagonweb.cz/razeni/vlak.php?zeme=SBB&kategorie=&cislo=41&nazev=&rok=2025 but for some reason that train doesn't currently run between Domodossola and Milano. So probably it uses the same rolling stock, ETR610?
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Martin Hoffmannpartim@social.tchncs.de
Jun 21, 2025, 7:03 AM
@tml @husku It looks like this is all irregular service due to the closure of the Simplon line.
My guess would be that EC 141 is bringing in the composition for the extended EC 112 to Zurich (which normally starts in Milan) so should be a Giruno?
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Tor Lillqvisttml@urbanists.social
Jun 21, 2025, 7:04 AM
@partim @husku Ah, I had no idea that the Simplon line is closed. I really should start reading railway news sites more regularly. https://www.railwaypro.com/wp/simplon-tunnel-renovation-to-begin-in-february/#:~:text=Between%20June%208%20and%20July,and%20Milan%20will%20be%20canceled.
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Tor Lillqvisttml@urbanists.social
Jun 21, 2025, 7:09 AM
@partim @husku I am ashamed that even the term "four-metre corridor" was new to me, but it is apparently widely in use... https://www.bav.admin.ch/bav/en/home/modes-of-transport/railways/rail-infrastructure/expansion-programmes/4-metre-corridor%20.html
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Aslak Raanesaslakr@mastodon.social
Jun 21, 2025, 7:22 AM
@tml @partim @husku When they are talking about a 4 metre corridor, what loading gauge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loading_gauge?wprov=sfti1#Europe are they referring?
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Martin Hoffmannpartim@social.tchncs.de
Jun 21, 2025, 7:26 AM
@aslakr @tml @husku It refers to being able to transport truck trailers with a height of four metres.
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Aslak Raanesaslakr@mastodon.social
Jun 21, 2025, 7:49 AM
@partim @tml @husku I understand the goal of fitting a 4 m truck on something, but I don't think that's enough to define a loading gauge?
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Martin Hoffmannpartim@social.tchncs.de
Jun 21, 2025, 8:08 AM
@aslakr @tml @husku This is the “political” name of the project. There definitely is an associated loading gauge, I just can’t seem to find it right now …
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Tor Lillqvisttml@urbanists.social
Jun 21, 2025, 8:10 AM
@aslakr @partim @husku True. And apparently that 4 m trailer height is fairly conservative, for instance this document https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Hans-Boysen/publication/304771701_Developing_larger_loading_gauges_for_Europe/links/577a1f0408ae4645d6129cd9/Developing-larger-loading-gauges-for-Europe.pdf talks about much higher trailers being transported by rail.
So many different standards and gauges...
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Aslak Raanesaslakr@mastodon.social
Jun 21, 2025, 12:15 PM
@tml @partim @husku From Bane NOR's pages https://oppslagsverk.banenor.no/network-statement/2026-vedlegg/internasjonal-profil/ there is kind of nice illustration on what e.g. P407 means. I guess a «4 metre truck corridor» is P400 i.e. 4 m from wheelbase to top.
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Tor Lillqvisttml@urbanists.social
Jun 21, 2025, 7:27 AM
@aslakr @partim @husku It refers to the height of semi-trailers transported by rail: https://www.bav.admin.ch/bav/en/home/modes-of-transport/railways/rail-infrastructure/expansion-programmes/4-metre-corridor%20.html (Yes, they have a superfluous space (%20) in that URL, very un-Swiss to be so sloppy.)
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Martin Hoffmannpartim@social.tchncs.de
Jun 21, 2025, 7:59 AM
@tml @aslakr @husku You better not look at this document: https://www.bav.admin.ch/dam/bav/de/dokumente/themen/4mk/4mk_massnahmen_inderschweiz.pdf.download.pdf/4mk_massnahmen_inderschweiz.pdf
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Aslak Raanesaslakr@mastodon.social
Jun 21, 2025, 11:05 AM
@partim @tml @husku EBV 1-4, also know as OCF 1-4 🤷
From https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:loading_gauge
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