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  • Nov 14, 2026, 11:00 PM

    @nazokiyoubinbou You can be smug that you don't have to do that, yeah great. But that depends heavily on where you live, what you want to/need to do and how things that are not under your control are going to change in the future. I choose all devices very carefully and prefer secondhand and open standards and everything, but yeah, I've now got a Fairphone that's physically perfectly fine lying in a cupboard because too many apps don't work on it any more. I keep it, because some other apps don't work on my other phone, but do work on the Fairphone. I'm taking about ID and banking and travel apps, and I cannot just move to another country or change where my family lives or just don't have any bank account so I don't have to use those apps.

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  • Nazonazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social
    Nov 14, 2026, 11:07 PM

    @dasgrueneblatt @Em0nM4stodon Don't have to do what? I certainly never meant for any of what I said to come off as smug. It's a lot more work. I said that from the start. You have to research things, figure out options, even perhaps go with methods that involve what are essentially imports. I used to use an international version of a phone because it simply wasn't available in my country. (Actually, it wasn't the software that failed with that one, it was the fact that I dropped it and it busted things...)

    I made sure my current phone has serious OS support. I'm using Graphene and it promises until 2033, but even if it fails, LineageOS and others will support this thing.

    I never buy anything I can't be sure has third party support. But they do support some Fairphone devices.

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  • Nov 15, 2026, 12:54 PM

    @nazokiyoubinbou The parts that come across as smug are sentences like "it's a lot more work" and "You have to research things, figure out options, even perhaps go with methods that involve what are essentially imports." Between the lines that means "everybody else is too lazy and not committed enough, but I'm doing it right." Do you think it's very usual to buy something from another country?

    It's really cute that you think something will happen 2033. I honestly wish that is true, for all of us, for the many other people who like to use Graphene or Lineage, but it's 2026 now, and there is absolutely no way of knowing. You cannot out-research and out-effort that uncertainty about the future. Shit happens all the time.

    A couple of years ago, I don't know exactly, it was before Graphene, but Lineage was already around, I needed a new phone. I wanted to get a second hand one. I read the list of supported devices of Lineage. I made a list of the models that were good candidates. I found one of them, the Lineage support was okay for me (there's always a list of stuff that maybe doesn't work), so I bought it. The whole process took maybe two or three weeks. By the time I had it in my hands and wanted to set it up, it had been removed from the list of supported devices. No images available, and even if I had found an older copy somewhere, that would still mean no updates ever.

    So excuse me if I'm slightly doubtful that a hardware exists for which we can say now that in 2033 there will definitely be some custom ROM to support it. (Look at Pixel models now.) But I really hope it's true.

    I guess the only way we could improve this is to learn how to make custom ROMs ourselves.
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