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  • Sep 16, 2026, 6:33 PM

    Pixel Update Bulletin for September 2026 has additional patches to standard Android platform components used by non-Pixel devices. These patches are relevant to non-Pixel devices but haven't been made available via the September 2026 Android Security Bulletin or preview patches.

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  • Sep 16, 2026, 6:40 PM

    Google should not be gatekeeping security patches to the standard Android platform code from Android OEMs but that's what they've started doing. Other OEMs will get these patches in December 2026 via Android 17 QPR2. We can ship them early by reverse engineering the code instead.

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  • Sep 16, 2026, 6:43 PM

    It would be interesting to know if Google's legal team is aware they're giving Pixels months of early access to new Android features and bug fixes including certain important security patches. Pixels being given this competitive edge over Google's OEM partners is very dubious.

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  • Sep 16, 2026, 6:54 PM

    Google is also once again failing to comply with our GPL source requests for weeks. We requested CD1A.260905.001.A1 sources on September 1st and were only provided access today. The kernel build IDs are the same for 17 QPR1 Beta 9 and 17 QPR1 so we have that already at least.

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  • Sep 16, 2026, 6:54 PM

    We could have shipped an Android 17 QPR1 update already since our port was completed. Instead, we have to deal with ongoing pain until Android 17 QPR2 is released in December 2026. This will not be an issue for Motorola since we'll have official firmware and driver code provided.

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  • Sep 16, 2026, 6:54 PM

    Pixels are now significantly harder to support than many other devices. One of the only advantages of Pixels is now a disadvantage instead. They're still the best fit for us due to the updates and security features but it burns time we want to spend on privacy and security work.

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  • Sep 16, 2026, 7:00 PM

    It will be far easier for us to support upcoming Motorola devices than Pixels. Qualcomm will hopefully expand MTE support beyond the highest end flagship SoC soon so we can expand to more than flagships. Pixel 11 didn't remove it from hardware, only firmware, so that's good news.

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  • Sep 16, 2026, 7:13 PM

    @GrapheneOS
    > Pixel 11 didn't remove it from hardware, only firmware, so that's good news.

    So performance could be okay if you tinker around with the firmware?

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  • Sep 16, 2026, 7:14 PM

    @tofudude Performance appears to be fine for MTE on the Pixel 11. We don't know which it was completely removed from firmware and disabled at launch. It's added back to firmware but still disabled in Android 17 QPR2 Beta 4 which was released after our initial thread about it. We used that to enable it and test it. It passes all our tests and other standard tests. We benchmarked it and the performance is fine. There may be cases where it has higher overhead but the faster CPUs make up for it.

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  • Sep 16, 2026, 7:17 PM

    @GrapheneOS maybe a good thing in the end. It quite bothered me to buy a google phone to get a degoogled and secured phone.

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  • Sep 16, 2026, 10:54 PM

    @sschuler @GrapheneOS if a phone has been locked to a carrier at any point in it's lifetime, 9 times out of 10, the bootloader is permanently locked. There's nothing the gos team can do about that. There are exceptions which are rare, but carriers almost always permanently lock the bootloaders on phones they sell you. Some older phones have firmware cracks to re-unlock it, but that's also a rare occurrence with modern phones.

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  • Sep 16, 2026, 7:09 PM

    @GrapheneOS I really hate Google more and more. Unfortuntaly because they do that, I bought a pixel because i care about my privacy and security, and now I would have to either buy a motorola phone in like 1-2 years because google stops letting us install custom roms... I am not saying i don't like motorola, they are making great phones but yeah... wish you the best in the project and the collab with motorola

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  • Sep 16, 2026, 6:59 PM

    @GrapheneOS Is it even worse than merely contractual or regulatory?

    With today's AI-powered rapid reverse-engineering, isn't releasing a security fix tantamount to disclosing the vulnerability to threat actors?

    If so, doesn't availability of fixes for only some affected Android devices constitute irresponsible/negligent/malicious disclosure for the rest?

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  • Sep 16, 2026, 7:01 PM

    @neilvandyke

    > With today's AI-powered rapid reverse-engineering, isn't releasing a security fix tantamount to disclosing the vulnerability to threat actors?

    Yes, and we can reverse engineer it ourselves to ship it before December 2026 so it's not the end of the world.

    It heavily draws into question what is supposed to be accomplished by the security preview system instead of simply allowing the patches to be shipped immediately as source code. It's hardly hidden by hiding that for months.

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