@hipsterelectron @zzt I tried this years ago in a conflict between daniel and some other folks (techlore iirc), and eventually dropped out because it just wasn't possible to have a clear conversation about it, and every misunderstanding however tiny immediately converted into a nuclear blast, making it impossibly stressful.

likewise I hope that there's a way to make it work, but that *is* going to require some work from daniel at some point, and personally I'm inclined to conclude by this point that daniel just doesn't want to do that. I have no reason to doubt that daniel was genuinely harrassed and traumatized in the past but that also can't be a perpetual shield against criticism or justification for harming others...