@clayote @atax1a i mean it's more that people will sit and make careful hypotheticals and and technical points as if any of those would change their mind or as if they were the reason they came to those conclusions

the underlying bit is "my convenience trumps consequences for others", a little bit "it works on my machine"

and it's a sort of pantomime people do to look reasonable, and...

yeah i guess you're right it is political debates