@jensimmons Hoooo, I mean... mixed, I guess?

I've recently had some of the best web-dev experiences of my life by going back to "basics" with writing JSP that emits nice HTML and CSS lifted up by modals, popover, and so many other good things, and that is outright a joy. It's like when I first learned with PHP in the 90s but refined to a delightful sheen.

As for the rest of the ecosystem... yikes.