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  • Oct 12, 2026, 7:27 PM

    FidoNews vol 8 #48, page 4 article titled "number nine, number niine..." referencing the Beatle's song REVOLUTION 9 (we're old).

    This is still a radical and freeing idea, that was stomped out of FIdoNet by reactionary assholes.

    The FidoNet nodelist, appears to be a literal /etc/hosts for the FidoNet (some 35,000 systems at its peak) but it was in fact assembled from hundreds of fragments compiled by each net (city or rural cluster, world wide) and collated "upwards" for assembly and distribution. It became reasonably sophisticated, with diffs etc. It was assembled anew weekly.

    Number Nine was a proposal to allow the assembly of the nodelist at the point of use -- completely eliminating the heirarchy that had grown to manage it.

    The idea was to use an "echo conference" (think: usenet group) to distribute fragments, with encryption to satisfy the very paranoid FidoNet culture.

    It was shot down by hierarchists.

    The end result would have been a truly, utterly, decentralized network, impervious to outside forces to stop any node from communication (node == instance == host). No hierarchy at all, beyond the "natural" (sic) clustering of BBSs based upon population density.

    Lol, there's also a polite "article" by an newly cooperative Steve Winter.

    fidonews.site/1991/v08n48/

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  • Oct 12, 2026, 9:02 PM

    @tomjennings That was such a great idea! Being a Fidonet node for the fun and meeting other people online I’ve never thought about all that stupid politics stuff (ham radio had less annoying people or I was too young back then). A decentralized nodelist assembled at point of use would have taken power out of the hands of hierarchists and others. I left FidoNet after the “tone war” and the big split of the German FidoNet in 1993 because people playing “Lord Keeper of the Fidonet Seal”.

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  • Oct 12, 2026, 9:28 PM

    @Linkshaender

    It was mostly great people but as always, minority of real jerks.

    It was my oversight to not realize the RC folk would not see themselves as "enclosing" nets, and that NCs would just fall into line. The RC (catchall for nodes not in a net)* should have been somewhere outside the physical area. Snd xalled the post "janitor" or something. And revolved the post monthly or something.

    * For the non FidoNet folk

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  • Oct 12, 2026, 9:58 PM

    @tomjennings Besides all that, I am glad that I was part of this, because, as you wrote, it was 90% nice people, 9% nerds/dorks and 1% real jerks. 😎 And I’ll be forever grateful you had the idea to this, because it made me learn so much (even writing my own mailer) about online communities. As for RC/NC roles, everybody has 20/20 hindsight. Maybe outside Germany, with another mentality, it would have worked. 😆 Still a great trip down memory lane!

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  • Oct 12, 2026, 10:58 PM

    @Linkshaender @tomjennings
    FidoNet in Ireland (2:263) was mostly nice, with plenty of Star Trek fandom (we did have author Diane Duane running her own node, and being part of the online community).

    All nice people, apart from one commercial BBS whose sysop set it up to edit all Echomail messages, in an effort to convince all his users that other systems didn't exist, all so he could make more money from subscriptions.

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