@aparrish I agree in some places and disagree elsewhere: it's very much not hard to get started, it is essentially logical legos (and there are languages that are LITERALLY that, and can do quite amazing things despite it,) but when average people hear "program something" they often think "make a game" or "make a hit app" or something of the sort. Most people don't realize how many individual pieces make these things up, and "program something" can be as simple as a CLI app to do something, or a library to use elsewhere, etc. People don't normally notice these things and only know about the big end products they actually use. This, I'd imagine, contributes to the problem of permission: people probably know there's huge teams and billions of dollars and years of time behind what they play and need permission to "waste" all that effort to Do The Thing.