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  • Mar 7, 2026, 1:49 AM

    I just want you to have a realistic idea of how the world works. You need to understand at least the general shape of how laws and courts work. You need to understand at least the general shape of how power and incentives work. You have to understand these things. You can't just rage at everything around you and demand impossible things of the world. You will just waste an enormous amount of time, energy, resources, and good will otherwise.

    Maybe at another point in history you could just waste your time and get angry that impossible things didn't happen. We don't have time for that now. Stop making yourself a distraction

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  • Mar 7, 2026, 2:16 AM

    @jenniferplusplus thanks for this. I made some bad assumptions, based on hasty readings of headlines and subtoots, that they'd been a lot more proactive and cooperative in turning over way more data than they actually had.

    this situation still sucks but you prompted me to dig in and properly understand what happened and you're absolutely right.

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  • Mar 7, 2026, 7:15 AM

    @jenniferplusplus

    I agree on terms of their behaviour, but their entire marketing strategy (and they aren’t the only company to do this) has been ‘We are Swiss and therefore safer than a US host that can be compelled to hand over data to the US government. Also, we encrypt everything so we don’t have data to hand over’.

    Except that, without building a Confidential Computing system and some complex onion routing (which they don’t) there is no way to provide that level of security for email.

    So I don’t have a problem with people calling out an obvious example of the fact that their marketing is based entirely on misleading their potential customers.

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  • Mar 7, 2026, 12:10 PM

    @jenniferplusplus I wish the world worked in a way that was realistic, but many businesses and people will ignore ethics and the longterm consequences of short term support for unethical business partners.

    I understand holding your nose sometimes. Or trying not to throw out baby with bathwater so to speak, if a company innovates something we value.

    But I don't think you can build a better world by ignoring the Proton's and Discord's of the world who espouse betraying their values to profit.

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  • Jun 2, 2026, 11:20 PM

    @jenniferplusplus

    "First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is [...] the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: 'I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action'; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a 'more convenient season.' Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

    [...]
    I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress.

    [...]
    I had also hoped that the white moderate would reject the myth concerning time in relation to the struggle for freedom. [...] Such an attitude stems from a tragic misconception of time, from the strangely irrational notion that there is something in the very flow of time that will inevitably cure all ills. Actually, time itself is neutral; it can be used either destructively or constructively. More and more I feel that the people of ill will have used time much more effectively than have the people of good will. We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people. Human progress never rolls in on wheels of inevitability; it comes through the tireless efforts of men willing to be co workers with God, and without this hard work, time itself becomes an ally of the forces of social stagnation. We must use time creatively, in the knowledge that the time is always ripe to do right. Now is the time to make real the promise of democracy and transform our pending national elegy into a creative psalm of brotherhood. Now is the time to lift our national policy from the quicksand of racial injustice to the solid rock of human dignity."

    – Martin Luther King

    Close enough, welcome back white moderate

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  • LenHyperlynx@aus.social
    Jun 3, 2026, 12:29 AM

    @jenniferplusplus the problem isn't that they're forced to obey the laws of the country they operate from. The problem is they don't make the implications of that crystal clear to their customers. They oversell the degree of protection they offer, allowing people to get the impression that you can just pay for Proton and you're secure, problem solved.

    In fact, for those who do require untraceability, those people must use the free tier or else take steps to prevent their payments being traced (eg using cash, which Proton do accept).

    I say this as a long-time Proton customer, who was initially outraged about them snitching. But, as you say, they're bound by the law of where they operate and there's no escaping that.

    But they need to be absolutely unambiguously upfront about that, and they aren't.

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