Nov 2, 2025, 5:22 AMWhen will they shove AI into it?
- Nov 2, 2025, 5:22 AM
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Nov 2, 2025, 5:23 AM@ska From "Advanced Packaging Tool" to "Advanced Persistent Threat"- Nov 2, 2025, 5:26 AM
@lanodan Debian has been a threat since they forced systemd in despite it not having the majority vote. I do not forget, and I do not forgive.
- Nov 2, 2025, 5:49 AM@ska Yeah, I switched from Debian for Gentoo roughly when that happened, regularly seems to have been the best choice I made.
Eric Hermaneric_herman@mas.toNov 2, 2025, 10:54 PM@ska I bootstrap rust from source starting with a trusted C toolchain... but the process requires measures which seem overly "heroic" to me: we can use "mrustc" to build rust 1.29.2, then use the resulting rustc to build each following rustc until we get to the current one. (Reflections on trusting trust 🤦♀️)
- Nov 2, 2025, 11:18 PM
@eric_herman Exactly, and that's my main gripe with forcing Rust currently. The toolchain (singular, which is a red flag in itself) is nowhere mature enough, and its build process from source is way too difficult. Trusting a Rust program isn't any easier than trusting a C program, far from it.
sarah tonin :wlfBlep:SRAZKVT@tech.lgbtNov 3, 2025, 4:19 PM@ska @eric_herman a language having only one (production ready, so no mrustc for rus) implementation is a complete stopper for me when considering a language
like, i can see some value in what rust provides, but i often feel i'd be better served by making a language myself than waiting for rust to be good
- Nov 3, 2025, 4:26 PM
@SRAZKVT @eric_herman Same. I like the idea of Rust, but the way it came about, as well as its development model, make me want to not touch it with a 10-foot pole.
I am fortunate that the scale and scope of my projects, and the practices I have acquired over the years, make C a very good fit with little risk of memory safety issues.
- sarah tonin :wlfBlep:SRAZKVT@tech.lgbtNov 3, 2025, 4:32 PM
@ska @eric_herman im pretty much always looking for a language that could replace C in my usecases because C is Bad, actually.
but near nobody making languages to replace C seems to care about why C devs use C. only potential replacements ive ever seen are hare and zig, and right now i would bet on neither of them
but fir near every "C killer" i see, it's all for shit id be better off using go, scheme or python for
- Nov 3, 2025, 5:34 PM@SRAZKVT @ska @eric_herman Yeah I don't think either Hare or Zig would replace C.
And while I quite like Hare, it's just an alternative to C. Kinda like how Perl is an alternative to shell and it's surrounding utilities but would never truly replace them.
Plus C is way too entrenched into Unix, in a way C++ had the best chances at that and thankfully completely blew it up by failing to have a proper ABI.