@glyph @jplebreton also, yes, I readily admit to being deeply cynical of claims made by these clowns, of not giving them even the slightest bit of leeway

to that I say “they shouldn’t have lied so fucking much”

I’ve met a few of these fuckers in person. I’m pretty sure you have too. broadly, they are not honest about things. broadly, they should be held to a higher standard of fact and truth, simply on account of a decade-long track record of untruth and misdirection