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  • GrapheneOSGrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
    Aug 1, 2025, 4:22 PM

    @leeloo @Life_is @CoMaps No, they're not regarded as personally identifiable information in this context. It's a publicly broadcasting radio station acting as a static landmark. Your opinion on it doesn't match the laws or what's enforced.

    Broadcasting an SSID from a Wi-Fi AP is a choice. The _nomap system didn't need to exist and Apple wasn't breaking any laws by not respecting it. It's just something Google came up with for their own service and others aren't obligated to respect it.

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  • Leelooleeloo@chaosfem.tw
    Aug 1, 2025, 4:29 PM

    @GrapheneOS @Life_is @CoMaps
    They ARE personally identifiable, way more so than other examples that people do get fined for, even if the lawyers prosecuting these cases haven't caught on.

    Point to an exception in the actual text of the GDPR, or be forever regarded like the lawyers who used to pretend that you could just write "you consent".

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  • EndlessMasonEndlessMason@hachyderm.io
    Aug 1, 2025, 5:00 PM

    @leeloo @GrapheneOS @Life_is @CoMaps

    gdpr.eu/article-4-definitions/
    > ‘Personal data’ means any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (‘data subject’); an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identifier such as a name, an identification number, location data, an online identifier

    So the question is, can you tell it's me just because I'm the only one who has ever connected to the "E Masons iphone" access point, or the "Masonland" SSID at my home?

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  • GrapheneOSGrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
    Aug 1, 2025, 5:03 PM

    @EndlessMason @leeloo @Life_is @CoMaps It's only the SSID, MAC and position estimate which are used as part of mapping APs with publicly broadcast SSIDs. Clients and APs without a public SSID are not included in the data. It's not only not considered PII by the EU but the EU has a mandatory standard incorporating Wi-Fi based positioning:

    etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/10360

    Every smartphone sold in the EU is required to implement this standard for emergency call locations which includes Wi-Fi positioning.

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  • GrapheneOSGrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
    Aug 1, 2025, 5:05 PM

    @EndlessMason @leeloo @Life_is @CoMaps Claiming that it's illegal to build a Wi-Fi positioning database in the EU is claiming that Wi-Fi positioning is illegal in the EU. That's quite an extraordinarily claim when the EU is expecting every smartphone to provide location data explicitly based on Wi-Fi positioning data when making emergency calls. The intention is that when making an emergency call, GNSS, Wi-Fi based positioning, etc. are used even if they were off prior to the emergency call.

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  • EndlessMasonEndlessMason@hachyderm.io
    Aug 1, 2025, 5:23 PM

    @GrapheneOS I dunno, emergency services using that data to tell them exactly where my phone is located ... kinda sounds personally identifiable

    It also feels like mashing 112 while bleeding is a pretty clear and explicit consent to the processing of that data

    @leeloo @Life_is @CoMaps

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  • GrapheneOSGrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
    Aug 1, 2025, 6:21 PM

    @EndlessMason @Life_is @CoMaps The consent @leeloo has been talking about is from Wi-Fi AP owners, not the user with the device. Emergency calls don't change this at all.

    Network location is very explicitly opt-in on GrapheneOS. It's partially opt-in even on Google Mobile Services Android devices through it being disabled by default with a toggle that's enabled by default during the initial setup wizard. It's opt-out for iOS where it also didn't have a toggle until relatively recently.

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