@fastfinge Not complicated? Computers are, to people like us who use them constantly, our normal. To people who don't, they're not, and daunting. Programmers might say coding is not complicated (but they also might not), but it is to someone like me who doesn't understand it. Also, I'd just like to point out that you mentioned this person is 80. When they were born, in, if my math is right, 1956, the most complicated piece of technology the average consumer had was maybe a television. Home computers wouldn't even be a thought for another 25 to 30 years... And they went from running casette tapes to being able to fit in your pocket in that same amount of time. All that to say, yes they are complicated and being more and more over-engineered and complicated by the day. Yeah I think there could be better communications on what these things actually mean but yes, this stuff is complex and scary to a high number of people.